Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:19 pm
This is going to be the last points of discussion I'm going to be putting out over the Sven nerf
Before nerf
Sven is a powerhouse both in pvp and pve.
After nerf
Sven is still relatively powerful in pvp but still a powerhouse in pve.
The caveat/what changed? He no longer can do it alone, he becomes a liability and needs support (life leech aura slave) to be a powerhouse in PVE.
Before nerf (PVE)
I don't have limitations on who I can/must pair Sven with for him to be useful.
After nerf (PVE)
I must pair him with at least a life leech aura slave for him to be any useful. My options gets limited as I will need to sacrifice at least 1 other slot to make him effective. This makes Sven effectively a "2 slot hero". Is this really "more" diversity or "less" diversity?
Before nerf (PVE)
Double Sven is a possibility. I can bring 3 other units to complement the team.
After nerf (PVE)
Double Sven is still a possibility.
The caveat/what changed? I need to bring 2 aura slaves to make it work, hence there are lesser options for other heroes to use on my team. Double Sven becomes "4 slotted". I can only bring one other unit that isn't a slave or Sven. Is this really "more" diversity or "less" diversity?
Before nerf (PVE)
Sven pet SDD with aura slaves is one of the formations that Sven could excel in.
After nerf (PVE)
Sven pet SDD with aura slaves is possibly the one and very few other formations that Sven will excel in. Any other formations involving Sven previously will require a unit to be sacrificed and replaced by at least one life leech aura slave. Is this really "more" diversity or "less" diversity?
Before nerf (PVP)
Sven's pet could possibly eat anybody (tanks / melees / ranged) given enough luck. Despite this, people are still able to use trigger archers, summoners (Talissa and Sven etc), guardians in arena.
After nerf (PVP)
Sven's pet still eats almost everybody (mages, archers, shadows, healers, champions) for lunch except for tanks. So, to not get eaten by Sven, everybody starts using tanks/guardians and the arena goes back to a sole guardian / tanks meta. Is this really "more" diversity or "less" diversity?
Idea
Since Sven is nerfed, use other heroes / other heroes come into play now.
What precedent will this set? The devs have free reign to introduce OP heroes which people summon / buy, and afterwhich, for "balance" sake, they can easily nerf them? Classic bait and switch, does the game seriously want to go there?
For "balanced" sake, I honestly don't mind if the skill CD was increased to 3 instead of 2 since that just reduces Sven's flexibility abit but adding the HP loss is an overkill and accomplishes nothing other than reducing the diversity of squad formations involving Sven.
I honestly can't understand the support for it.
Are the devs trying to kill off Sven or bring it down to par even? Probably no other unit in the game requires another unit/type of unit to be able to perform to his own potential, but for Sven, the nerf has basically done that to him.
Yes, Cybellas (and other archers in general) work best when paired together but it doesn't stop me from using them with any other units that are not archers/trigger archers. If my Cybella has a 75% chance to crit, it will have a 75% chance to crit no matter who i use it together with. She does not suddenly become inept and crit at a lower rate just because i do not use her with another Cybella or Kane etc.
Yes, Drake dragoon works extremely well when paired in a certain formation (SDD) with 2 other slaves and Kahuna/Matilda. But that doesn't make my drake become inept when not paired with them. If my Drake hits for 10k each time, he will hit just as hard (10k each time) as he would with or without Kahuna/Matilda, They just allow him to trigger more for more hits. Not using Drake with them doesn't make the same Drake suddenly hit for 5k each time instead.
But what has this nerf basically done for Sven? He basically can't work to his potential alone. He needs another unit to make him reach potential (remember the 2 slot hero analogy above?). Without a life leech slave, his pet will die off with enough triggers leaving Sven an inept unit for the rest of the turns his skill is on cooldown. He basically can't work without relying on another unit to be present. And there's no other "creative unconventional ways" to do it. Without a life leech slave, the pet could die off without the possibility of intervention given enough triggers. It's not like I could slap a vampiric rune onto the pet and laugh about it. Without a life leech slave, the pet is certainly doomed. Simple as that. Let's not forget the ATK buff loss when the pet dies prematurely. So why is it of so many heroes in the game, Sven is nerfed to be the only notable one that won't work unless he has "outside help"?
I mean if the devs just slightly reduced the proc rate like they originally intended to (by 5%), it'll definitely not invite such a backlash caused by the addition of the HP lost.
Last edited by
Pat437 on Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:45 pm, edited 5 times in total.