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Since the developer decided to put trigger chaining limit in the form of boss monster, and there is no official contest about it just yet, why not we share the concept of boss monster we would want to fight? Who knows if one of posted concept become reality? But anyway, this is just for fun. We can freely discuss and argue about the shared concept, thus maybe we can finally come into the concept of a boss monster that is enjoyable yet challenging to fight (in theory )

Well in fact, it's also okay if you want to share us a super duper powerful boss monster Just that don't expect people to take it seriously

The form will be like this:
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Name           : (Enter the boss' name here)                       
Body Parts  : (Enter with what body part(s) the boss have)
Details         :
(Note: Enter with each body parts details listed below. If boss have more than 1 body parts, make multiple of this to detail each body parts)
>(Enter Body Parts name here)<
-Attack Area: (Melee/Range+Single/Pierce/Chain/Cleave/Splash/3x3. Omit if it cannot attack)
-On attack Effect: (Enter on attack effect here. Maximum of 2 effects. Omit if it cannot attack)
-ATK (from E (very low) to S (extremely high)  -MAG(from E (very low) to S (extremely high)
-DEF(from E (very low) to S (extremely high)   -CRI(from E (very low) to S (extremely high)
-Status Immunity: (Enter status(es) that the body part is resistant to. In 'resistant', it mean the boss can still be inflicted with the said status, but on a very low chance to proc. If you don't list it here that means the boss is susceptible to that particular status effect.)
+Skill (enter skill number if the body part has more than 1 skill)+
Name: (Enter skill name here)
CD: (Enter skill cooldown here. Enter none if it's a skill that is automatically cast only once at the beginning of the wave)
Skill Area: (Single, Cross, 3x3, All)
Effect: (Enter skill description here. As like hero skill, only 3 effects is allowed)
Added detail: (Enter added detail like 'ready to cast at the beginning of wave', 'auto cast at the beginning of wave', 'at 1 cd at the beginning of wave', etc)
+Counter+
Name: (enter counter name here. You can fill it with ??? like how the game did btw . But seriously, giving it a name will give more clue about what the boss actually did to our party. For example, I would've named the Black Dragon's counter "Enraged Roar", in that the dragon is angry because we attack it too many times)
Number of hits: (enter number of hits needed to trigger the counter)
Effect: (enter the counter effect. Only 2 effect is allowed. Example: -Force terminate player turn (like raid bosses do when we run out of time) -Increase DEF by 10% of Boss' DEF for 10 turns (stackable))
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Name           : Dark Disciple Guardian                      
Body Parts  : main body
Details         :
>main body<
-Attack Area: Melee/Splash
-On attack Effect: 20% chance to blind main target; refresh self if successfully inflict blind
-ATK C   -MAG D
-DEF B   -CRI E
-Status Immunity: Stun, Sleep, Defense Down, Attack Down, Fear, Confuse
+Skill 1+
Name: Countering Style
CD: 6
Skill Area: Single
Effect: - Returns 35% damage taken by this boss as magic damage for 2 turn(s)
            - Energy shield this boss, providing 15,000 extra HP for 2 turn(s) 
            - Refresh this boss
Added detail: ready to cast at the beginning of wave
+Skill 2+
Name: Haze of Bewilderment
CD: 5
Skill Area: All
Effect: - Reduces all enemies ATK by 30% for 3 turns
            - Reduces all enemies DEF by 50% for 3 turns
            - 100% chance of confusing Enemies for 1 turn, causing Enemies to change position randomly at the start of each turn.
Added detail: none
+Skill 3+
Name: Overwhelming Presence
CD: none
Skill Area: All
Effect: - Reduces all enemies ATK by 15% for 10 turns
            - Reduces all enemies CRI by 15% for 10 turns
            - Revive this boss with 20% HP, if this Boss dies within 20 turns.
Added detail: cast at the beginning of wave.
+Counter+
Name: Avenging Blade
Number of hits: 15
Effect: -Returns 200% of damage taken by this boss as magic damage for 1 turn.
            -Removes all negatives effect from all allies.
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I'm thinking of the final bosses in Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy that use status ailments or spell that damage the whole team heavily. One miscalculation; not healing or casting supporting spell in time will result in loss. Still the cool down of status ailment skills of bosses should be similar to skill cool down of cleanse, shield or revive skills. This will make healer class more meaningful too. 

Still many players don't love challenge. I still remember that people complained a lot about random poison of snake boss coz it interrupts them from doing what they want by breaking auras linked. And with sdd trigger team that can be retreated till you get full time triggers, the variety of the bosses has become less noticeable.

woah! it's been a month and I don't even realized that someone is replying in this thread XD
Sorry about that!

But as Cassi said, the definition of 'challenging' is different for each player. When the battle is challenging for some players, it doesn't mean it is fun for others. Which is why I'd love to see what kind of boss you'd find challenging but fun to fight~

Anyway, Cassiel just gave me some good idea about yet another boss
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Name           : Mysterious Elf                      
Body Parts  : main body
Details         :
>main body<
-Attack Area: Melee/Chain2
-On attack Effect: 50% chance to inflict poison on attacked enemies, dealing 10% of ATK as damage each turn for 2 turns
-ATK A   -MAG E
-DEF E   -CRI E
-Status Immunity: Stun, Sleep, Defense Down, Attack Down, Fear, Confuse, Swap, Pull, Fear.
+Skill 1+
Name: Marked for Death
CD: 6
Skill Area: Single
Effect: - Target 3 random enemy.
            - 100% chance to increase skill cooldown of enemy by 2 turns
            - Mark the enemy affected by this skill for 5 turns. (this debuff cannot be removed)
Added detail: ready to cast at the beginning of wave
+Skill 2+
Name: Killing Blow
CD: 4
Skill Area: Single
Effect: - Deals magic damage equal to 50% of ATK to target. If target is inflicted with Mark, deal additional 1000% magic damage.
            - 100% chance to inflict stun for 2 turns.
            - Stealth this unit for 1 turn.
Added detail: none
+Skill 3+
Name: Assassin of the Haze
CD: none
Skill Area: All
Effect: - 100% chance of confusing Enemies for 10 turns, causing Enemies to change position randomly at the start of each turn.
            - Reduces all enemies ATK by 25% for 10 turns
            - This unit become stealthed for 3 turns. Stealthed unit cannot be targeted.
Added detail: cast at the beginning of wave.
+Counter+
Name: Limit of Patience
Number of hits: 15
Effect: -Forcefully end player's turn
            -Reduce own skill cooldown by 4 turns.
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edit: there were two confuse listed on his status immunity. I have deleted one of them. Also changed his counter name. The previous one was the same with previous boss because I forgot to change the name

The force end turn is harsh lol

Your new boss is difficult. Cleanse unit is a must bring. Still we need one revive unit coz the marked one is almost guaranteed dead. This will reduce number of other dmg dealer units we can bring. It will be challenging to find a way to beat this boss. Probably the elves with range attack in cf mode are good companions.

The force end turn is harsh lol

Your new boss is difficult. Cleanse unit is a must bring. Still we need one revive unit coz the marked one is almost guaranteed dead. This will reduce number of other dmg dealer units we can bring. It will be challenging to find a way to beat this boss. Probably the elves with range attack in cf mode are good companions.

Yep it is harsh.

In this new boss, you'll need to bring a taunter, a debuff and buff remover, someone who can revive people, and a hero capable to deal a lot of damage without too many hits involved.

other than the revive, you know you can always rely on Lucille invincible wall

You see, the boss doesn't have resistance to taunt   You can actually use this to avoid his killing blow targeting other more important member such as the damage dealer or the reviver. Otherwise, VF enemy AI has tendency to use skill on (as usual) lowest def hero on the field. So unless the hot target doesn't get marked, it will be fine (since the marking is random and may hit the same target multiple time like ronan's). Moreover, you can actually Silence the boss or delay his skill cooldown

Haha, if the boss seems to be so threatening due to his skill set and counter, I guess he successfully served my intention. He doesn't have to be flashy or too punishing, but still terrifying nonetheless. Of course, I'm not that cruel so as to make the boss seemingly impossible to beat of course

As for the elves, it's unintentional, but there is indeed one or two of them that seems to be tailor-made to counter this boss xp

Name           : Duelist
Body Parts  : Main Body only
Details         : 
-Attack Area: Single Ranged
-On attack Effect: Taunted + Silenced (skill) 1 turn. 
-ATK: C  -MAG: E
-DEF: A  -CRI: A
-Status Immunity: None

+Skill 1+
Name: Single Bout
CD: 4
Skill Area: Single
Effect: Target a single unit. The user and the target attacks each other 3 times. 
Added detail: Priority skill. Always uses this skill when available. 

+Skill 2+
Name: Excitement
CD: 6
Skill Area: Self
Effect: Increases own ATK by 10% of own ATK for 999 turns.
Added detail: Removable by Parity

+Skill 3+
Name: Overturn
CD: 3
Skill Area: Single target
Effect: Deals 5% of hero's ATK (magic) to a single target. Increase damage by 5% of hero's ATK for each enemy alive.
Added detail: Deals 10% of hero's ATK in magic damage with a single unit. Max of 55% with 5 units+summons.


+Counter 1+
Name: Pairty
Number of hits: Duelist has not attacked for more than 2 turns. 
Effect: Reduces Single Bout cooldown to 0. Removes all buffs and debuffs from allies and enemies. 


+Counter 2+
Name: Nullify
Number of hits: Excitement not cast for 20 turns. 
Effect: Reduces Excitement cooldown to 0. Silences (Skill and Aura) all enemies for 1 turn. 


+Counter 3+
Name: Riptose
Number of hits: 1, 20% chance to trigger.
Effect: Attacks the attacker. 

Of course not XD. Serious suggestions dont go here. 

Just that don't expect people to take it seriously[img=15x17]images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif[/img]

For some reason I felt that this phallyka is a bot... he/she seems to be copy+paste-ing a line from my opening post.. and there is that white colored link that lead us to tumbrl..

Do respond to correct me if you aren't

Name           : Duelist
Body Parts  : Main Body only
Details         :
-Attack Area: Single Ranged
-On attack Effect: Taunted + Silenced (skill) 1 turn.
-ATK: C  -MAG: E
-DEF: A  -CRI: A
-Status Immunity: None

+Skill 1+
Name: Single Bout
CD: 4
Skill Area: Single
Effect: Target a single unit. The user and the target attacks each other 3 times.
Added detail: Priority skill. Always uses this skill when available.

+Skill 2+
Name: Excitement
CD: 6
Skill Area: Self
Effect: Increases own ATK by 10% of own ATK for 999 turns.
Added detail: Removable by Parity

+Skill 3+
Name: Overturn
CD: 3
Skill Area: Single target
Effect: Deals 5% of hero's ATK (magic) to a single target. Increase damage by 5% of hero's ATK for each enemy alive.
Added detail: Deals 10% of hero's ATK in magic damage with a single unit. Max of 55% with 5 units+summons.


+Counter 1+
Name: Pairty
Number of hits: Duelist has not attacked for more than 2 turns.
Effect: Reduces Single Bout cooldown to 0. Removes all buffs and debuffs from allies and enemies.


+Counter 2+
Name: Nullify
Number of hits: Excitement not cast for 20 turns.
Effect: Reduces Excitement cooldown to 0. Silences (Skill and Aura) all enemies for 1 turn.


+Counter 3+
Name: Riptose
Number of hits: 1, 20% chance to trigger.
Effect: Attacks the attacker.

Anyway, quite interesting idea you got there. The counter means he'll punish people that knock him back or stun him perpetually. Though all three doesn't seem to limit ranger trigger team, or the sdd team (any of the variants).

Just that.. what happened if he activates Single Bout while he is unable to attack the target? Maybe add "leap to the front of target" effect before the attack each other 3 times?

Just that don't expect people to take it seriously[img=15x17]images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif[/img]

For some reason I felt that this phallyka is a bot... he/she seems to be copy+paste-ing a line from my opening post.. and there is that white colored link that lead us to tumbrl..

Do respond to correct me if you aren't

Name           : Duelist
Body Parts  : Main Body only
Details         :
-Attack Area: Single Ranged
-On attack Effect: Taunted + Silenced (skill) 1 turn.
-ATK: C  -MAG: E
-DEF: A  -CRI: A
-Status Immunity: None

+Skill 1+
Name: Single Bout
CD: 4
Skill Area: Single
Effect: Target a single unit. The user and the target attacks each other 3 times.
Added detail: Priority skill. Always uses this skill when available.

+Skill 2+
Name: Excitement
CD: 6
Skill Area: Self
Effect: Increases own ATK by 10% of own ATK for 999 turns.
Added detail: Removable by Parity

+Skill 3+
Name: Overturn
CD: 3
Skill Area: Single target
Effect: Deals 5% of hero's ATK (magic) to a single target. Increase damage by 5% of hero's ATK for each enemy alive.
Added detail: Deals 10% of hero's ATK in magic damage with a single unit. Max of 55% with 5 units+summons.


+Counter 1+
Name: Pairty
Number of hits: Duelist has not attacked for more than 2 turns.
Effect: Reduces Single Bout cooldown to 0. Removes all buffs and debuffs from allies and enemies.


+Counter 2+
Name: Nullify
Number of hits: Excitement not cast for 20 turns.
Effect: Reduces Excitement cooldown to 0. Silences (Skill and Aura) all enemies for 1 turn.


+Counter 3+
Name: Riptose
Number of hits: 1, 20% chance to trigger.
Effect: Attacks the attacker.

Anyway, quite interesting idea you got there. The counter means he'll punish people that knock him back or stun him perpetually. Though all three doesn't seem to limit ranger trigger team, or the sdd team (any of the variants).

Just that.. what happened if he activates Single Bout while he is unable to attack the target? Maybe add "leap to the front of target" effect before the attack each other 3 times?

If Single Bout can be activated, but all available targets are invisible, he will not activate the skill. If the target is not in melee range, it doesnt matter because he uses a single ranged attack. If it targets your melee units out of their range, your melee units will use single ranged attack as an alternative (think Rhea Gladiator). (That being said, I forgot that aura triggers can activate via Single bout, hence, the ability should disable auras during the 3 attack trades). 

Riptose allows him to attack any target that attacks him, at a 20% chance. Hitting him too fast too many times makes it so that he will likely outdamage your sustain for trigger ranger teams (You will need 4 life steals, one on each unit, if you wish to survive through Riptose, which WILL cripple your crit rate). 

Take your time, survive his attacks, and you should be able to fight him like a normal boss, as long as you play by the boss's rules. SDD works against the boss, admittedly, since you tend to life drain alot, but you cannot stun-lock the boss, and you cannot repeatedly knock his skills into cooldown. Eventually, he'll get to use Single Bout on someone, and you'd want to make that unit survive or something. I'm not sure. I definitely hadnt thought of everything, but I dont think the boss needs to counter all of it.