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Welp, some of you people is right even with what SuiCya saying
Gotta say that the arena is balanced but the fun there is gone with me
Back then we have Cybella sharpshooter with Athena faith place in the back line and she become really hard to nuke down with her one crit delete possibly still there
Choose who have less countdown skill or who still doesn't act on the wave to kill first to prevent them from attack or use their ability
Shadow 2nd line tactic
Focus Isabella till half hp or more to force her AI to normal attack

Is anyone notice that is hard to pull a specific class?
Like this guy have no champion and mystic at all and that guy don't have any shadow and guardian
That is my problem now when i don't ever pull out any melee 5* hero, i still limit breaking my Leon and use him again so i won't complain but you know how the feel when people look at my arena rank and just ask why i don't climb the arena instead of telling me why i'm so bad with my 5* team? ;_;
Srly?? That was my best *sob* *sob*
Be notice the team have two healer two mystic and one Ares Cybella that deal like no damage to the enemy tanks at all even in the center capture tile

I see my boy on this thread ayyyyyeee, shoutout jenoss

Top ranked player OVERPOWERS tanker, not counter them.

I already countered these tanker cancer with my double champion which theoritically countered them by class. It doesnt work that way on the arena though.

OKAY. So I need to build a team to counter them then?

so I need to counter team, but all you cancer team user can use your cancer team REGARDLESS of the opponents because tanks can really abuse the current arena set up? lol.

I can assure all these people use the cancer v.1 team aka double tanker + 3 filler squad.

get outta here.

I see my boy on this thread ayyyyyeee, shoutout jenoss

Top ranked player OVERPOWERS tanker, not counter them.

I already countered these tanker cancer with my double champion which theoritically countered them by class. It doesnt work that way on the arena though.

OKAY. So I need to build a team to counter them then?

so I need to counter team, but all you cancer team user can use your cancer team REGARDLESS of the opponents because tanks can really abuse the current arena set up? lol.

I can assure all these people use the cancer v.1 team aka double tanker + 3 filler squad.

get outta here.

Well, thats true and I totally disagree with the statement that says champion is a counter to guardian. They all said Berserker Vincent can OHKO the tanks, I have never seen that happen to any well geared tank. And most people upgrade their attackers first not their tanks, you are probably right about the "overpower" part of it.
So, lets assume that an equally well gear tank CANNOT be OHKO by a champion, what about swapper/displacement tactic that works even better? You still think the guardian need to be nerfed?

I see my boy on this thread ayyyyyeee, shoutout jenoss

Top ranked player OVERPOWERS tanker, not counter them.

I already countered these tanker cancer with my double champion which theoritically countered them by class. It doesnt work that way on the arena though.

OKAY. So I need to build a team to counter them then?

so I need to counter team, but all you cancer team user can use your cancer team REGARDLESS of the opponents because tanks can really abuse the current arena set up? lol.

I can assure all these people use the cancer v.1 team aka double tanker + 3 filler squad.

get outta here.

Well, thats true and I totally disagree with the statement that says champion is a counter to guardian. They all said Berserker Vincent can OHKO the tanks, I have never seen that happen to any well geared tank. And most people upgrade their attackers first not their tanks, you are probably right about the "overpower" part of it.
So, lets assume that an equally well gear tank CANNOT be OHKO by a champion, what about swapper/displacement tactic that works even better? You still think the guardian need to be nerfed?

He clearly said that there is no fun for him to make a party only to counter this kind of tactics/team.
And like you can see from his heroes screen he could easly make by himself a full tank team.

Sometimes it's need to see more on the words that people put on paper, and not just reply.. 

I have too 3 tanks on my team but i don't use them, just because i would probably stop to play arena if i was going to play it in this way ( the boredom would kill me )
But i totally understand his opinion..

I see my boy on this thread ayyyyyeee, shoutout jenoss

Top ranked player OVERPOWERS tanker, not counter them.

I already countered these tanker cancer with my double champion which theoritically countered them by class. It doesnt work that way on the arena though.

OKAY. So I need to build a team to counter them then?

so I need to counter team, but all you cancer team user can use your cancer team REGARDLESS of the opponents because tanks can really abuse the current arena set up? lol.

I can assure all these people use the cancer v.1 team aka double tanker + 3 filler squad.

get outta here.

So you're going to disregard the many different stances players taking that are disagreeing with you, countered the points you've made, and gave you alternative options, solutions plus explanations and just repeat the words like 'cancer' and 'cancerous', not to mention asking them to 'get outta here' when they're refuting your points and disagreeing amicably? 
You assumed that forums can be cancerous at times and reiterated a million times about the formation in question being cancerous, but the way I see it, with all due respect, you're the one being cancerous here. 


You obviously are just here to seek out minorities of your fellow players that think like you to self-validate and reinforce your warped opinion while filtering out and shooting down players that do not share the same opinion with the repeated vocabulary of 'cancer' and 'cancerous' and the repeated stance on the same line of 'Why should I use water instead of sand when my sand is obviously well enough? Fire is cancerous because I'm forced to use water to counter it instead of sand and I stand by the fact that sand is superior and that water should be nerfed because it is cancerous.' 


I believe continued discussion with regards to this topic is futile since you don't seem to accept any form of debate or argument and insist that everything is cancer and cancerous and that nothing productive or informative would come out of this debate, if it could be called a debate in the first place. Have a good day!

I see my boy on this thread ayyyyyeee, shoutout jenoss

Top ranked player OVERPOWERS tanker, not counter them.

I already countered these tanker cancer with my double champion which theoritically countered them by class. It doesnt work that way on the arena though.

OKAY. So I need to build a team to counter them then?

so I need to counter team, but all you cancer team user can use your cancer team REGARDLESS of the opponents because tanks can really abuse the current arena set up? lol.

I can assure all these people use the cancer v.1 team aka double tanker + 3 filler squad.

get outta here.

Well, thats true and I totally disagree with the statement that says champion is a counter to guardian. They all said Berserker Vincent can OHKO the tanks, I have never seen that happen to any well geared tank. And most people upgrade their attackers first not their tanks, you are probably right about the "overpower" part of it.
So, lets assume that an equally well gear tank CANNOT be OHKO by a champion, what about swapper/displacement tactic that works even better? You still think the guardian need to be nerfed?

He clearly said that there is no fun for him to make a party only to counter this kind of tactics/team.
And like you can see from his heroes screen he could easly make by himself a full tank team.

Sometimes it's need to see more on the words that people put on paper, and not just reply.. 

I have too 3 tanks on my team but i don't use them, just because i would probably stop to play arena if i was going to play it in this way ( the boredom would kill me )
But i totally understand his opinion..

Same thing goes to you, I am merely asking if he still thinks the guardians need to be nerfed when there are obvious counters to them. I didnt ask him to join the rank when he obviously chose not to.

Well I dunno... I'm kinda picturing a scene like this in my head when I read the comments:

Soldier: Umm... Commander...

CO: Goddammit soldier! Whaddya want?! Can't you see I'm busy attacking this nigh impregnable citadel?!

Soldier: Err... Right. About that sir. Some of the mercenaries are volunteering to break the deadlock for us. The men from the far east have these guys who're really quick on their feet with them. I think they call em ninjas sir? They're saying they can sneak into the fortress and open the gates from the inside. Master Merlin is also suggesting using teleportation magic to help out. We think it's a good idea sir.

CO: $*$@/@/!!! WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! Sneaking around? Opening the gates from the inside? Teleportation? That's not how we men of valor fight soldier! We attack from the front and we PULVERIZE anything that gets in the way! Now, if you'll excuse me. I need to help out the men.

*pulls out saber and charges toward the fortress wall

Soldier: ..............

I see my boy on this thread ayyyyyeee, shoutout jenoss

Top ranked player OVERPOWERS tanker, not counter them.

I already countered these tanker cancer with my double champion which theoritically countered them by class. It doesnt work that way on the arena though.

OKAY. So I need to build a team to counter them then?

so I need to counter team, but all you cancer team user can use your cancer team REGARDLESS of the opponents because tanks can really abuse the current arena set up? lol.

I can assure all these people use the cancer v.1 team aka double tanker + 3 filler squad.

get outta here.

So you're going to disregard the many different stances players taking that are disagreeing with you, countered the points you've made, and gave you alternative options, solutions plus explanations and just repeat the words like 'cancer' and 'cancerous', not to mention asking them to 'get outta here' when they're refuting your points and disagreeing amicably? 
You assumed that forums can be cancerous at times and reiterated a million times about the formation in question being cancerous, but the way I see it, with all due respect, you're the one being cancerous here. 


You obviously are just here to seek out minorities of your fellow players that think like you to self-validate and reinforce your warped opinion while filtering out and shooting down players that do not share the same opinion with the repeated vocabulary of 'cancer' and 'cancerous' and the repeated stance on the same line of 'Why should I use water instead of sand when my sand is obviously well enough? Fire is cancerous because I'm forced to use water to counter it instead of sand and I stand by the fact that sand is superior and that water should be nerfed because it is cancerous.' 


I believe continued discussion with regards to this topic is futile since you don't seem to accept any form of debate or argument and insist that everything is cancer and cancerous and that nothing productive or informative would come out of this debate, if it could be called a debate in the first place. Have a good day!

Totally agree LOL~!
i'm done. i find this thread more toxic than the so called "cancerous" formation.
it's like "i have a sword but can't penetrate this shield, so dev please make this shield softer so i can cut through and win all battle."
sequel "Now this shield is unusable because the blade is too strong, dev please weaken the sword so i can defend my way to win all battle."
people will never learn but complain, because this is how it works in this cruel world.

Well I dunno... I'm kinda picturing a scene like this in my head when I read the comments:

Soldier: Umm... Commander...

CO: Goddammit soldier! Whaddya want?!  Can't you see I'm busy attacking this nigh impregnable citadel?!

Soldier: Err...  Right.  About that sir. Some of the mercenaries are volunteering to break the deadlock for us. The men from the far east have these guys who're really quick on their feet with them. I think they call em ninjas sir? They're saying they can sneak into the fortress and open the gates from the inside. Master Merlin is also suggesting using teleportation magic to help out. We think it's a good idea sir.

CO: $*$@/@/!!! WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! Sneaking around? Opening the gates from the inside? Teleportation? That's not how we men of valor fight soldier! We attack from the front and we PULVERIZE anything that gets in the way!  Now, if you'll excuse me. I need to help out the men.

*pulls out saber and charges toward the fortress wall

Soldier: ..............

+1 Humor and fact

I see my boy on this thread ayyyyyeee, shoutout jenoss

Top ranked player OVERPOWERS tanker, not counter them.

I already countered these tanker cancer with my double champion which theoritically countered them by class. It doesnt work that way on the arena though.

OKAY. So I need to build a team to counter them then?

so I need to counter team, but all you cancer team user can use your cancer team REGARDLESS of the opponents because tanks can really abuse the current arena set up? lol.

I can assure all these people use the cancer v.1 team aka double tanker + 3 filler squad.

get outta here.

Well, thats true and I totally disagree with the statement that says champion is a counter to guardian. They all said Berserker Vincent can OHKO the tanks, I have never seen that happen to any well geared tank. And most people upgrade their attackers first not their tanks, you are probably right about the "overpower" part of it.
So, lets assume that an equally well gear tank CANNOT be OHKO by a champion, what about swapper/displacement tactic that works even better? You still think the guardian need to be nerfed?

so what is? mystic? lol with the pitiful damage they do now, nah. What? Rangers? they cant ohko tanks without using the skill. they might if they overpower them. Maybe healer then.
The thing about tankers, is that once you failed to kill it in one or the first wave, it's over. Just like cancer. ayy

Kai or switch position heroes works on some variation of the cancer squad. with kai filling one of five heroes in a squad, you lose some offensive points. meaning even harder time against double tanker squad. not to mention the lack of defense kai has, meaning he will be targeted by ranger/mages more often, dies even faster.

Aura Knockback? simple enough, you dont proc, they gain points, you rely on rng for that, it will cost you.

Mage knockback, same shit like kai, no defense, more targeted blablabla
BK Vic/ BK Darrion has a moderately fast skill cooldown, meaning, she will kill kai or mages with knockback before they go to work.

I dont only play arena to win, but to have fun. I dont want to use it, the passiveness will eat me from inside and will be bored, and leave the game, Just like cancer ayyy

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