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When i saw that trial requirement, i too was stunned. I am approaching 2 months into this game and i couldn't clear legendary trial 2 too. My gripe is this event is pretty much newb-unfriendly and a departure from the style and requirements of the past few events. I've heard from a friend whom has played the game since shortly after launch that there was only one event in the past that couldn't be cleared by heroic difficulty, the one that introduced Kahuna. There too were many complaints about it and the events thereafter were 100% possible to complete by heroic. This event basically requires you to be able to clear the legendary stage easily (complete quest <=7 turns, clear with team of 4, and 50 Tristans who only spawns in legendary and master) to be able to attain 100% completion.

Yes, the common argument against this is "you are a newb what did you expect? heroes to rain down from the sky?". Bear in mind this is an event, not persistent content, surely you want to make it as accessible as possible? In making it so difficult, only seasoned or p2win players could fully clear the quests and net a free Tristan and go on to add to the cancer that is this game's arena, while the newbs struggle and get little to nothing.

I was close to quitting the game because I couldn't figure out what the devs were thinking when they implemented certain stuff and mechanics, this event may have been the nail in the coffin for me. Feel free to flame me. Peace out.

I'm not going to be providing screenshots but will give a brief summary (number of trials is not a good gauge; difficulty of trial is a better gauge)

Launch (Halloween + 1 or 2 event after iirc)
Legendary trials are requirement for 100% chest == chest includes special unit

People complain.

After the above period
Legendary trials removed from requirement for 100% chest but chest no longer include any special or event unit

Then, Devs decide to be nice to give everyone event unit since the start of summoners.

First few Summoner events
Legendary trials are still not in the requirement for 100% chest but one of the achievements required for 100% chest are those blue drops which doesn't drop alot in heroic (but still should drop enough if people have watermill and uses their energy, they even had increased drop rate event over the weekends)

People complain.

Sora event
Legendary trials not a requirement for 100% chest
Blue drop items drop rate increased but monster farm quotas drastically increased.

People complain.

Now, this event they bring back legendary trials as a requirement for 100% chest lol

Seriously, I know I'm going to be called an ass for saying this but you all deserved it. Complain complain complain. Never satisfied. Give you easy to do but need more farming also complain. Now you get f*****

Go on, complain more, maybe they will decide to stop being nice and remove event heroes from 100% chest.

Then people will call them stingy. Right.

I LOLed to this. True story mate 

I'm not going to be providing screenshots but will give a brief summary (number of trials is not a good gauge; difficulty of trial is a better gauge)

Launch (Halloween + 1 or 2 event after iirc)
Legendary trials are requirement for 100% chest == chest includes special unit

People complain.

After the above period
Legendary trials removed from requirement for 100% chest but chest no longer include any special or event unit

Then, Devs decide to be nice to give everyone event unit since the start of summoners.

First few Summoner events
Legendary trials are still not in the requirement for 100% chest but one of the achievements required for 100% chest are those blue drops which doesn't drop alot in heroic (but still should drop enough if people have watermill and uses their energy, they even had increased drop rate event over the weekends)

People complain.

Sora event
Legendary trials not a requirement for 100% chest
Blue drop items drop rate increased but monster farm quotas drastically increased.

People complain.

Now, this event they bring back legendary trials as a requirement for 100% chest lol

Seriously, I know I'm going to be called an ass for saying this but you all deserved it. Complain complain complain. Never satisfied. Give you easy to do but need more farming also complain. Now you get f*****

Go on, complain more, maybe they will decide to stop being nice and remove event heroes from 100% chest.

Then people will call them stingy. Right.

I agree with you that some players are too unhappy about everything. I started during Halloween event so I too know all history of 100% achievements up until now. They devs have always been making the game play easier for majority of players base.

100% achievement reward couldnt be reachable in my first 2 events. The devs removed some difficult requirement.

No compliment was made when the change applied. But some players complained further that it was too difficult to get event hero. The devs decided to move 100% achievement reward to 80% achievement reward. And put event hero as new 100% achievement reward and make event hero drops at highest difficulty stage with some RNG involvement to not make thing too easy as it is an extra (as old 100% achievement reward was moved to 80%).

No compliment was made when the change applied. But some players complained further that it was too difficult to get required event drops required for 100% achievement and hero drop in the stage that is too difficult for them to beat. The devs decided to make hero drop at lower stage and increased the drop rate of even drop required for 100% achievement.

No compliment was made when the change applied but there was some mentioning generally made in some topic. The devs added 5* equipment drop at higher event stage. Some players complained further that they cannot get the complete set.

The devs decide to make 5* equipment drop at lower stage and still no compliment.

While i do not think its a good idea to make rewards unaccessible by majority of players base (like requiring 15 trials and 50 Tristan kills in this event), i must really say that some players only want easy game play or may be too greedy (want everything). They do not see the benefit that the devs make to players base as they only look from their own personal benefit and when it doesnt go their way, they complain. This event could be a good lesson to repeat history of how difficult it is to achieve 100% achievement so they can be more grateful in the future. Still i feel this kind of reward setting will discourage new players a lot and in the future event, i hope we can go back to have less difficult requirements for the longevity of the game.

I'm not going to be providing screenshots but will give a brief summary (number of trials is not a good gauge; difficulty of trial is a better gauge)

Launch (Halloween + 1 or 2 event after iirc)
Legendary trials are requirement for 100% chest == chest includes special unit

People complain.

After the above period
Legendary trials removed from requirement for 100% chest but chest no longer include any special or event unit

Then, Devs decide to be nice to give everyone event unit since the start of summoners.

First few Summoner events
Legendary trials are still not in the requirement for 100% chest but one of the achievements required for 100% chest are those blue drops which doesn't drop alot in heroic (but still should drop enough if people have watermill and uses their energy, they even had increased drop rate event over the weekends)

People complain.

Sora event
Legendary trials not a requirement for 100% chest
Blue drop items drop rate increased but monster farm quotas drastically increased.

People complain.

Now, this event they bring back legendary trials as a requirement for 100% chest lol

Seriously, I know I'm going to be called an ass for saying this but you all deserved it. Complain complain complain. Never satisfied. Give you easy to do but need more farming also complain. Now you get f*****

Go on, complain more, maybe they will decide to stop being nice and remove event heroes from 100% chest.

Then people will call them stingy. Right.

I agree with you that some players are too unhappy about everything. I started during Halloween event so I too know all history of 100% achievements up until now. They devs have always been making the game play easier for majority of players base.

100% achievement reward couldnt be reachable in my first 2 events. The devs removed some difficult requirement.

No compliment was made when the change applied. But some players complained further that it was too difficult to get event hero. The devs decided to move 100% achievement reward to 80% achievement reward. And put event hero as new 100% achievement reward and make event hero drops at highest difficulty stage with some RNG involvement to not make thing too easy as it is an extra (as old 100% achievement reward was moved to 80%).

No compliment was made when the change applied. But some players complained further that it was too difficult to get required event drops required for 100% achievement and hero drop in the stage that is too difficult for them to beat. The devs decided to make hero drop at lower stage and increased the drop rate of even drop required for 100% achievement.

No compliment was made when the change applied but there was some mentioning generally made in some topic. The devs added 5* equipment drop at higher event stage. Some players complained further that they cannot get the complete set.

The devs decide to make 5* equipment drop at lower stage and still no compliment.

While i do not think its a good idea to make rewards unaccessible by majority of players base (like requiring 15 trials and 50 Tristan kills in this event), i must really say that some players only want easy game play or may be too greedy (want everything). They do not see the benefit that the devs make to players base as they only look from their own personal benefit and when it doesnt go their way, they complain. This event could be a good lesson to repeat history of how difficult it is to achieve 100% achievement so they can be more grateful in the future. Still i feel this kind of reward setting will discourage new players a lot and in the future event, i hope we can go back to have less difficult requirements for the longevity of the game.

+100 % for Casiel, all ur arguments cover up all

Geez.
It's called event for a reason.
In every game I played, event are always different and aimed upon different peers. Sometimes on lower levels and sometimes on the high end players.

Sometimes the event are easy and sometimes hard.
That's why it's called event.
If you can't complete the event just skip it and move into the next one. Easy, don't make it difficult.
Unsatisfied? Get good.... Or die trying.

Didn't the Seraphina event required all trials completed? Which is way worse because those trials cant be completed without Seraphina? Or did devs nerfd it afterwards? Cant recall.

But since you are playing since launch I wonder why you are not able to complete it. Non prestige players who have started playing way later than you did from my guild are able to complete it lol.

Perhaps you could list your units and we could give suggestions?

Didn't the Seraphina event required all trials completed?  Which is way worse because those trials cant be completed without Seraphina? Or did devs nerfd it afterwards? Cant recall.

But since you are playing since launch I wonder why you are not able to complete it. Non prestige players who have started playing way later than you did from my guild are able to complete it lol.

Perhaps you could list your units and we could give suggestions?

I have to use a ally seph, use up all the pots and buckles, before i can finally win the trial with seph left on the map. Haha.
Basically the idea is that, people EXPECT to complete all the stars in the events. When its not achievable, they complain. because it simply not good looking.
By the way, new comers. You guys have a very good increase in the benefits that is existing now, yes you dont have some key heroes maybe, but the rewards will land you many heroes that is available.
To be honest, if you all are willing to leave your list of heroes, we are willing to give you advise and set the squad for you.
As i said before, with leon, an ally sven, and 2 ranger, you can clear legend. But if you really have problem and without these heroes, please list out the heroes u have, and everyone season here can branch out the strategy for you.
If all you want is to spoon feed easy mode for you, then no point to play any game.
i played almost a year, currently i dont even dare to try master yet, until i see the squads of all the success stories. Sometime its not the heroes u have that is LB to max to win the game, but the heroes that can used to clear the game.

Woah woah, I wasn't expecting the conversation to devolve into this. All I wanted to do when I made this topic was voice my own opinion on this matter and subsequently request for help in beating a trial that I was stuck in. While it might seem that my original post was a complaint, I never intended to do so. And just to clear things up: With the exception of the fact that the 15 trial requirements might not be entirely newbie friendly, I have no other issues with the it being a requirement for the 100% completion chest. My ONLY gripe was clearing Legendary trial 2. The only reason why I termed the trial 'ridiculous' was because I was repeatedly encountering Fayes and Kahunas in both waves. This made it difficult to clear the stringent 'within 7 rounds' trial. Though funnily enough, once I posted this thread, with the exception of a single Holy Defender Faye in the second wave, I never ran into any Kahunas and together with some slight changes to the team composition suggested by YayuSheng, I HAVE managed to complete that second trial.

Including this one, I've made a grand total of 4 posts, and I almost NEVER read the topics in the VF forum so I didn't have any clues that complaints were rampant during the past events. While I understand that the majority of you frequent posters might be tired of "complaint" threads, I ask that you do not jump to any conclusions and lump everyone who made said topics into a single basket.

Also, to Cassiel, just because threads complimenting the actions of the development team weren't made, doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't given. In any video game community, complaints are always going to be more rampant and visible than compliments. Myself and a group of friends who play VF were very positive of the recent changes made to the garrison and the small QOL changes. You didn't know it, the development team didn't know it, but compliments were indeed given. As long as the game continues to improve, they wouldn't have any problems maintaining or even increasing the current player base. This can be construed as a form of 'compliment'.

Seeing as how the original goal of the thread has been fulfilled, I thank the few people who offered to help, and the one guy who did. You guys can continue to discuss about this "issue", but I will no longer partake in it. Good day.

As a kinda new player(~month and a half) I ask you who of you is willing to post his friend code with OP sven, so I(and others) can easily clear Legendary?

 These events kinda make me depressed because I know I don't even have a chance for last hero reward. I could I at least tried farming hero kills at last event with Sora (even though I failed -was 2 sora kills away...).

So the real question here is Legendary and Tristan 50 kills are locked away as 100% reward.

Which was Never meant for newbie! Or unprogressive player!

I must say, suck it up newbies, many of you were thinking why don't let us clear everything? Hello, if newbie cleared everything, why do you even okay this game, not challenging and not even worth to take time.

Back to the "why shouldn't newbie aim for 100%", because the current 80% was meant for those who spend time and effort in this game, be it a seasoned player, or grind long enough between 2 weeks.

So in short, 100% was never ever and I hope will never ever be newbie friendly.

Be good be a newbie, and farm for 50% and 80% achievement rather than complaining the difficulty level too high to be locked out of 100%.

**Side note, when other games give Free event heroes, those are capped at lower rarity and often quite useless after event, but for Valiant Force, those 100% is a permanent addition and currently highest rarity hero! What do you expect?