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Now whoever go first in Arena wins if they step on the +3 tile. Killing guardians are almost impossible lol. Even worse if they have 2 Healers and 1 of them is Inquisitor Lucille.

Not true, just defeated a team of 3 healers and 2 guardians, lol.

It's true most of the time. By the time you kill off their guardians (or everyone else) the score would be so far ahead in their favour that you lose with 1 person left standing on their team.

You probably got ridiculously lucky with crits or have a 3 mystic team lol. Probably also jacked with +15 4☆ and above equips and runes. Mid game players will have hell in arena to try damaging guardians.

Sounds great but no more gems left and no more 5☆-able units so the only thing left is to spend.

RIP arena tbh. Will have a negative winrate once the reset happens.

Good points though I guess now I regret getting Sharpshooter and Elementalist they're trash now. Just a little more damage and I have a almost zero CC team besides Silence.

Call me salty or whatever but that's how most people would feel.

I do wonder if the nerf to the healing is warranted. Granted that the healer's job is to heal (and the active heals now also dont heal as much and on a long cd), i think 20% nerf to the passive heals is a pretty huge nerf. A 10% reduce would be more balanced. Granted that guardians now get defense bonuses from the recent buff, guardians with passive heals are going to heal more than healers who are not of the athena passive.

and yeah the nerf to mystics is really noticeable. glad that i didn't put all my eggs into one basket (mystic).

I do wonder if the nerf to the healing is warranted. Granted that the healer's job is to heal (and the active heals now also dont heal as much and on a long cd), i think 20% nerf to the passive heals is a pretty huge nerf. A 10% reduce would be more balanced. Granted that guardians now get defense bonuses from the recent buff, guardians with passive heals are going to heal more than healers who are not of the athena passive.

and yeah the nerf to mystics is really noticeable. glad that i didn't put all my eggs into one basket (mystic).

With Guardians buffed, there is going to be a problem if healing is not nerfed. Is a good call for balance. And brute killing teams is not the only way to win.

Yeah but Elementalist is garbage and Mind Warder is better in every way possible.

I understand not one shotting but now I do barely any damage. Elementalist is built to at do enough damage to kill (the LOW MAG UNITS AKA DPS UNITS) or lower their HP enough for my other DPS units to finish them off. Now I cannot even kill an Ares Champion (I tested versus guild mate) and I have 6k magic attack (without Aura) on her while barely scratching the others. What do you even do against a Holy Defender if you do not have a displacement unit?

I understand buffing defense or nerfing skill damage but both at the same time is overkill.

Honestly now that defense buff Holy Defender is broken unless you crit you aren't going to damage any units nearby.

@crazyfight
Totally off the point.

You saying people built up their team for years but I'm talking about mid game team vs mid game team (5☆ with +12 3☆ equips) and when I crit with Cybella (5.8k attack) I just do 1/2 of the HP of Guardian? How is that balanced? The rest of my team are Mystic, Healer and Mystic so I barely scratch anything else. I have a Champion and Shadow but if they do not crit they barely do any damage either.

I want to think before making moves too but honestly at this point I am only praying for lucky crit if I want to win,

Yeah but Elementalist is garbage and Mind Warder is better in every way possible.

I understand not one shotting but now I do barely any damage. Elementalist is built to at do enough damage to kill (the LOW MAG UNITS AKA DPS UNITS) or lower their HP enough for my other DPS units to finish them off. Now I cannot even kill an Ares Champion (I tested versus guild mate) and I have 6k magic attack (without Aura) on her while barely scratching the others. What do you even do against a Holy Defender if you do not have a displacement unit?

I understand buffing defense or nerfing skill damage but both at the same time is overkill.

Honestly now that defense buff Holy Defender is broken unless you crit you aren't going to damage any units nearby.

@crazyfight
Totally off the point.

You saying people built up their team for years but I'm talking about mid game team vs mid game team (5☆ with +12 3☆ equips) and when I crit with Cybella (5.8k attack) I just do 1/2 of the HP of Guardian? How is that balanced? The rest of my team are Mystic, Healer and Mystic so I barely scratch anything else. I have a Champion and Shadow but if they do not crit they barely do any damage either.

I want to think before making moves too but honestly at this point I am only praying for lucky crit if I want to win,

 It is common that a game meta will shift from time to time in any major patch. Guardian main role is to tank so of course it make sense not to be OHKO from any of the damage class. 

Personally I feel this patch is definitely more balance than the previous one which everyone with Isabella can get almost 100% win rate myself included. Now you actually need to use some brain and there are some actual strategy involved rather than spam AOE spells to victory. 

Is Taiwan in SEA server or there will be a separate one? Also, how about NA/EU?