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Why would you guys be salty over a teased implement of a new feature 

Too many walls of text and I didn't read each of them carefully, but my understanding is that people think that changing item suffix will eventually leads up of collapse of the game itself (like WTF?)

So, many posts I came across is that people use the argument of similar as follow:
Able to change equipment suffix -> P2p player able to get perfect 6star equipment from prestige -> Godlike player proceed to pwn every noob in 1 hit ko (no one mention pvp or pve, in arena perhaps? and also ignoring the fact jobs are constantly changing and being balanced, ensuring no "perfect squad") -> F2p players get salty and quit because they can't fight them at all -> Massive decline in player base -> No more noobs to feed godlike player -> Godlike player quit because of either no challenge or no purpose in spending anymore -> A farewell to a short-lived game

You know what, here is a perfect example to show why this is going to be true:
School give us exam -> We feel stressful -> We got sicked -> We died. So... Please don't give us anymore exam?

At first, please don't think based on your impulse, think as a whole. Sure p2p players are going to whale their way to full prestige equipment with perfect suffix. But will the spending end there? There are so many more things for them to spend, refresh arena orb, job keys, drawing event heroes, buying golds, upgrading and training and promoting, equipment is just a small part of all the spending. Even if they have perfect suffix prestige equipments, that would make them like, 20% or 30% stronger? or maybe double up the strength but that is impossible, they will still have to constantly struggle with squad formation, combo, offense and defense, and many more.

Ok, maybe f2p can't compete with p2p anymore(?). But please tell me, do you think you can reach with top 50 of both ladder and arena without spending a single penny? (there is a f2p player who did this and he is awesome, the sole, the one and only, capable of being called as the best f2p player, I forgot his name, sorry). If you can never hope to reach top 50 of arena then why are you arguing with something that's simply out of your reach? Ok maybe you have a big dream and you wanna be top 1 as a f2p player as you are determined to. Do you think, a perfect suffix prestige equipment will help f2p player stay on top forever? No. VF is a game that constantly evolve and upgrade, there will be much better equipment in future (why you guys ignore the fact that the heirloom equipment is a new thing, and there probably will be more heirloom that surely beats the prestige equipment in future?). What I can tell you about this, is, prestige equipment is going to be staying inside the wardrobe forever, sooner or later.

Tl;dr : The feature of changing equipment suffix will not make everyone quit VF, nor make dev being fired from their job.

Mister Mysterious

Lets not make assumption before seeing what kind of requirements needed for rerolling suffix.We can all sit here and make assumption all day but the world will not wait for you.  we can start determined if its good or bad once it get implemented.

How can you be so sure that the rerolling can be bad for everyone?
 Are you 100% sure it will ruin the game?
Have you ever try any other possible way of achieving something?
Are you so sure that F2p can not achieve top 50 without spending real cash?
Are so 100% sure that p2p will abuse the system?
The reroll system fail on other game so it will fail on this one?

There are so many answers you can give but in the end they all require hard evidence to support it.If i sit across you,place an object on the table and ask you to take a look,will you be seeing the exact same thing as I am?No,everyone have their own view and who's right who's wrong?the only thing you can do is to prove that your theory is right.

If you don't try something new,it will always be the same boring thing over and over again and that will kill the game.

Mister Mysterious

Lets not make assumption before seeing what kind of requirements needed for rerolling suffix.We can all sit here and make assumption all day but the world will not wait for you.  we can start determined if its good or bad once it get implemented.

How can you be so sure that the rerolling can be bad for everyone?
 Are you 100% sure it will ruin the game?
Have you ever try any other possible way of achieving something?
Are you so sure that F2p can not achieve top 50 without spending real cash?
Are so 100% sure that p2p will abuse the system?
The reroll system fail on other game so it will fail on this one?

There are so many answers you can give but in the end they all require hard evidence to support it.If i sit across you,place an object on the table and ask you to take a look,will you be seeing the exact same thing as I am?No,everyone have their own view and who's right who's wrong?the only thing you can do is to prove that your theory is right.

If you don't try something new,it will always be the same boring thing over and over again and that will kill the game.

Agree with him.
Why make a thread with so much salt when the actual features are not out yet.
Who knows you might  need a sacrifice a 6* to actually have a chance of changing a 6* prefix.
Lets see how they implement this system before we bash it.

hmm speaking of "uncover"
this new system, re roll suffix might uncov- nope... WILL UNCOVER THE HUUUUUGE GAP BETWEEN F2P AND HIGH PRESTIGE PLAYERS.
there's already 200% stat boost on towers, insane 6* gear set bonus and now we're having this re roll suffix. If the prestige players will now equip dem 6* gears with perfect suffix, I can only imagine my shadow unit get 1HKO. So what's the point of equip gacha? Yes, prestige players won't probably access that anymore. F2P will become stepping stones for them -> players will get bored -> quit. I'm just a mere f2p though, I might quit if the sugar and salt play seesaw.

I can see the players in this game are painted with different colors, some of them are have the same color but this re roll suffix might paint a large number of players with two different colors: black and white

hope the RNG and Chicken Lord will save us

I understand you, a part of the community wants to advance faster in the game.

they want to have MLB heroes with perfect Faith, perfect equipment suffix, good upgrade results and Valiant Selector.
All that in a small time. It's like a 14 y.o. kid that loves fast cars, and he is too impatient to wait till he turns 18 y.o. So he keeps asking his dad do let him drive his car. At 14 y.o. he is not even mentally ready to drive, let alone drive a fast car.

Well, the devs are creating systems to make those players happy. But it’s that what they truly want? Do they know how more competitive the game will turn in a little space of time? And how this will affect others systems? Expect a huge an quick disparity between players.

Mister Mysterious

Lets not make assumption before seeing what kind of requirements needed for rerolling suffix.We can all sit here and make assumption all day but the world will not wait for you.  we can start determined if its good or bad once it get implemented.

How can you be so sure that the rerolling can be bad for everyone?
 Are you 100% sure it will ruin the game?
Have you ever try any other possible way of achieving something?
Are you so sure that F2p can not achieve top 50 without spending real cash?
Are so 100% sure that p2p will abuse the system?
The reroll system fail on other game so it will fail on this one?

There are so many answers you can give but in the end they all require hard evidence to support it.If i sit across you,place an object on the table and ask you to take a look,will you be seeing the exact same thing as I am?No,everyone have their own view and who's right who's wrong?the only thing you can do is to prove that your theory is right.

If you don't try something new,it will always be the same boring thing over and over again and that will kill the game.

Agree with him.
Why make a thread with so much salt when the actual features are not out yet.
Who knows you might  need a sacrifice a 6* to actually have a chance of changing a 6* prefix.
Lets see how they implement this system before we bash it.

Sure you agree with him Mr Hellstorm, 
You know what? YOU were one of those asking for it, remember?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1342&p=8454#p8454
I don't know about how they will implement this system, but even if they charge too much for it people will cry again and devs will make it easier. I already know the upgrades reset will only cost gold, gold is purchase able, so yeah, will lend to abuse.

Why would you guys be salty over a teased implement of a new feature 

Too many walls of text and I didn't read each of them carefully, but my understanding is that people think that changing item suffix will eventually leads up of collapse of the game itself (like WTF?)

So, many posts I came across is that people use the argument of similar as follow:
Able to change equipment suffix -> P2p player able to get perfect 6star equipment from prestige -> Godlike player proceed to pwn every noob in 1 hit ko (no one mention pvp or pve, in arena perhaps? and also ignoring the fact jobs are constantly changing and being balanced, ensuring no "perfect squad") -> F2p players get salty and quit because they can't fight them at all -> Massive decline in player base -> No more noobs to feed godlike player -> Godlike player quit because of either no challenge or no purpose in spending anymore -> A farewell to a short-lived game

You know what, here is a perfect example to show why this is going to be true:
School give us exam -> We feel stressful -> We got sicked -> We died. So... Please don't give us anymore exam?

At first, please don't think based on your impulse, think as a whole. Sure p2p players are going to whale their way to full prestige equipment with perfect suffix. But will the spending end there? There are so many more things for them to spend, refresh arena orb, job keys, drawing event heroes, buying golds, upgrading and training and promoting, equipment is just a small part of all the spending. Even if they have perfect suffix prestige equipments, that would make them like, 20% or 30% stronger? or maybe double up the strength but that is impossible, they will still have to constantly struggle with squad formation, combo, offense and defense, and many more.

Ok, maybe f2p can't compete with p2p anymore(?). But please tell me, do you think you can reach with top 50 of both ladder and arena without spending a single penny? (there is a f2p player who did this and he is awesome, the sole, the one and only, capable of being called as the best f2p player, I forgot his name, sorry). If you can never hope to reach top 50 of arena then why are you arguing with something that's simply out of your reach? Ok maybe you have a big dream and you wanna be top 1 as a f2p player as you are determined to. Do you think, a perfect suffix prestige equipment will help f2p player stay on top forever? No. VF is a game that constantly evolve and upgrade, there will be much better equipment in future (why you guys ignore the fact that the heirloom equipment is a new thing, and there probably will be more heirloom that surely beats the prestige equipment in future?). What I can tell you about this, is, prestige equipment is going to be staying inside the wardrobe forever, sooner or later.

Tl;dr : The feature of changing equipment suffix will not make everyone quit VF, nor make dev being fired from their job.

Allow me to tell you something Mr. Locket, there’s a surge of new mobile games introducing equipment gacha in their games, sometime ago gacha was only for premium hero summon.  VF have easy ways to level a hero to MAX (not MLB) with XP potions. So the focus is not exactly the hero. You will certainly spend a lot more gold and resources with Equipment in the game. Why you ask? Because equipment’s are not exclusive and are interchangeable. Once I have Max Set Equips for every class in the game, every time they launch a new hero, players will just switch equipment’s around, you already have perfect equips! 

Why break the Equip Summon system? If this don’t break the system it will at least make devs create a lot more powerful equipment sets to call our attention to Summon again. And Free things / premium will start to have more disparity in quality, a free equip with max upgrade and perfect suffix seems a temptation right? Wait for more OP new equips to outclass that.

Devs created all our RNG walls as a way to keep the progress of the game slow. Now we will all be inside that kid car wanting to drive as fast as him, or even faster. Remember slow player progress is not the same as slow content progress.

I don’t understand the part you were saying a F2P using a Prestige perfect suffix. How a F2P player would get his hands at prestige equip? Really makes me think.

You know what? This thread should stop somewhere here, it only raise some unnecessary arguments. Sure making wrong move can leaves bad effect in long term but we will never be able to know what is going to happen in the future. Regarding of any kind of new feature, it is actually a good step to develop the game even further, given that the game is still in a stage of infancy, a more friendly environment will help the new player stay around much longer.

I would like to say again and for the last time. No, a player or a bunch of player with perfect suffix prestige equipment is not going to ruin the game, f2p player's life is going to be easier and one of the barriers of f2p is going to be removed as most f2p have to rely on equipment given by the event, regardless of the suffix. The feature to changing the equipment suffix is going to benefit f2p player a lot and able them to compete further.