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hmm speaking of "uncover"
this new system, re roll suffix might uncov- nope... WILL UNCOVER THE HUUUUUGE GAP BETWEEN F2P AND HIGH PRESTIGE PLAYERS.
there's already 200% stat boost on towers, insane 6* gear set bonus and now we're having this re roll suffix. If the prestige players will now equip dem 6* gears with perfect suffix, I can only imagine my shadow unit get 1HKO. So what's the point of equip gacha? Yes, prestige players won't probably access that anymore. F2P will become stepping stones for them -> players will get bored -> quit. I'm just a mere f2p though, I might quit if the sugar and salt play seesaw.

I can see the players in this game are painted with different colors, some of them are have the same color but this re roll suffix might paint a large number of players with two different colors: black and white

hope the RNG and Chicken Lord will save us

I understand you, a part of the community wants to advance faster in the game.

they want to have MLB heroes with perfect Faith, perfect equipment suffix, good upgrade results and Valiant Selector.
All that in a small time. It's like a 14 y.o. kid that loves fast cars, and he is too impatient to wait till he turns 18 y.o. So he keeps asking his dad do let him drive his car. At 14 y.o. he is not even mentally ready to drive, let alone drive a fast car.

Well, the devs are creating systems to make those players happy. But it’s that what they truly want? Do they know how more competitive the game will turn in a little space of time? And how this will affect others systems? Expect a huge an quick disparity between players.

Suicya9 - Firstly, you can't really complain about prestige 15 players having those benefits as they are supporting the game and it is not cheap. And the game also allows you to upgrade your equipments to 6*, you probably only lose some stats in the bonus compared to the prestige set but you get the point. Next about the perfect suffix, since you mentioned you are a f2p player, you should have a limited amount of gems/equipment/heroes, that said amount of 5* equipment that you have would be small and if they are of lousy suffix won't it suck more. Now the game allows f2p players to have perfect suffix on their limited pool of equipments. (don't you think it is good for you?) At the end of the long run, both f2p and p2p can end up with the same MLB team with 6* equipments(prestige set or not), the difference is only the set bonus and tower bonus but did the f2p invest to support the game?
MisterMysterious - I see that you prefer a less competitive game? Also why bother hiding your identity unless you are afraid of something. It seems like something that a 14 y.o would do as he is not mentally ready to face the result. Why even start something when you are afraid of what might happen to you that you have to hide behind a 2nd ID.

Agree with him.
Why make a thread with so much salt when the actual features are not out yet.
Who knows you might  need a sacrifice a 6* to actually have a chance of changing a 6* prefix.
Lets see how they implement this system before we bash it.

Sure you agree with him Mr Hellstorm, 
You know what? YOU were one of those asking for it, remember?
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I don't know about how they will implement this system, but even if they charge too much for it people will cry again and devs will make it easier. I already know the upgrades reset will only cost gold, gold is purchase able, so yeah, will lend to abuse.

Yes I did make that suggestion and I'm glad it was heard. In fact i'm glad that the devs listened on this suggestion. Lets be frank, be it whether they listen or not, there will be people on the other side disagreeing and complaining about the changes. Yes it does reduce the RNG wall but there is still some sort of RNG involved. Even if you re-roll an item with an affinity you want you might not get good stats of it. An example will be getting a high % attack on wizardy suffix equipment.

I guess the reason why i bothered to add in is because I find it pretty tough for the devs at times like this. They listen people are unhappy, they don't care people are unhappy too. But if you ask me I would rather have devs who bother to listen then one that completely ignores the current player feedback. With that in view you are totally entitled to what you stand for. 
Cheers

You know what? This thread should stop somewhere here, it only raise some unnecessary arguments. Sure making wrong move can leaves bad effect in long term but we will never be able to know what is going to happen in the future. Regarding of any kind of new feature, it is actually a good step to develop the game even further, given that the game is still in a stage of infancy, a more friendly environment will help the new player stay around much longer.

I would like to say again and for the last time. No, a player or a bunch of player with perfect suffix prestige equipment is not going to ruin the game, f2p player's life is going to be easier and one of the barriers of f2p is going to be removed as most f2p have to rely on equipment given by the event, regardless of the suffix. The feature to changing the equipment suffix is going to benefit f2p player a lot and able them to compete further.

I agree.. at this point.. we are thinking too much on the future. Even the introduction of the pixie dont really change much, even though it's harder to get but promise a fixed change.
These suffix change could be still random or require you to sacrifice an same level item.
And as a f2p, its very well coming to see this as I spend alot of time gathering 5*, through events or forging but with bad suffix and I using them. Because they are the only 5* I have. So having the ability to change them mean making my set good enough to match up with the others. And it also mean it's possible for me not to sacrifice what I have and hoping for a good suffix to appear.

I personally believe there's nothing wrong with this game's Prestige/VIP system, as Mister Mysterious mentioned. Compared to other games where you have 928912749217492178421 functions and playable content locked and reserved for only high VIP players, frankly speaking, the benefits here from spending hundreds or thousands of SGD is already considered meek, proportionally balanced with respect to cash spent and when we're talking true benefits of extra two event runs per day and 200% tower bonuses at prestige 15 with 2.2k SGD spent. 

If anyone thinks this game's VIP system is broken or way overpowered for the amount that people spends, they have got another thing coming for them and I don't think mobile game with microtransaction is the type of game for them. 

Anyway, I digress, my thought on the new suffix reroll system is a love-hate relationship, depending on the opportunity cost and actual cost of rerolling the suffix of a particular item. 

If it is too easy (e.g. spend 500k to reroll one time or something like that) in terms of direct cost or opportunity cost (lack of special stones or items needed from hunting a certain stage or event to get them or extra in-depth mechanics instead of just spending money or resources directly), then we will see the situation TS mentioned like accelerated power-creep BUT if it's too hard or not too easy to reroll even just once (not including the fact that it's going to be random, most likely), then we are able to work towards the end-game goal without accelerating power-creep yet at the same time being able to min-max our equipment for the ultimate end game. 

Of course, as someone who will directly benefit quite a lot from this upcoming system, I can't say I dislike it but it is definitely a very delicate mechanic that has to be implemented by someone with good foresight or it will risk setting up a snowball rolling downhill for the game. 

hmm speaking of "uncover"
this new system, re roll suffix might uncov- nope... WILL UNCOVER THE HUUUUUGE GAP BETWEEN F2P AND HIGH PRESTIGE PLAYERS.
there's already 200% stat boost on towers, insane 6* gear set bonus and now we're having this re roll suffix. If the prestige players will now equip dem 6* gears with perfect suffix, I can only imagine my shadow unit get 1HKO. So what's the point of equip gacha? Yes, prestige players won't probably access that anymore. F2P will become stepping stones for them -> players will get bored -> quit. I'm just a mere f2p though, I might quit if the sugar and salt play seesaw.

I can see the players in this game are painted with different colors, some of them are have the same color but this re roll suffix might paint a large number of players with two different colors: black and white

hope the RNG and Chicken Lord will save us

I understand you, a part of the community wants to advance faster in the game.

they want to have MLB heroes with perfect Faith, perfect equipment suffix, good upgrade results and Valiant Selector.
All that in a small time. It's like a 14 y.o. kid that loves fast cars, and he is too impatient to wait till he turns 18 y.o. So he keeps asking his dad do let him drive his car. At 14 y.o. he is not even mentally ready to drive, let alone drive a fast car.

Well, the devs are creating systems to make those players happy. But it’s that what they truly want? Do they know how more competitive the game will turn in a little space of time? And how this will affect others systems? Expect a huge an quick disparity between players.

Suicya9 - Firstly, you can't really complain about prestige 15 players having those benefits as they are supporting the game and it is not cheap. And the game also allows you to upgrade your equipments to 6*, you probably only lose some stats in the bonus compared to the prestige set but you get the point. Next about the perfect suffix, since you mentioned you are a f2p player, you should have a limited amount of gems/equipment/heroes, that said amount of 5* equipment that you have would be small and if they are of lousy suffix won't it suck more. Now the game allows f2p players to have perfect suffix on their limited pool of equipments. (don't you think it is good for you?) At the end of the long run, both f2p and p2p can end up with the same MLB team with 6* equipments(prestige set or not), the difference is only the set bonus and tower bonus but did the f2p invest to support the game?
MisterMysterious - I see that you prefer a less competitive game? Also why bother hiding your identity unless you are afraid of something. It seems like something that a 14 y.o would do as he is not mentally ready to face the result. Why even start something when you are afraid of what might happen to you that you have to hide behind a 2nd ID.

I understand you, a part of the community wants to advance faster in the game.

they want to have MLB heroes with perfect Faith, perfect equipment suffix, good upgrade results and Valiant Selector.
All that in a small time. It's like a 14 y.o. kid that loves fast cars, and he is too impatient to wait till he turns 18 y.o. So he keeps asking his dad do let him drive his car. At 14 y.o. he is not even mentally ready to drive, let alone drive a fast car.

Well, the devs are creating systems to make those players happy. But it’s that what they truly want? Do they know how more competitive the game will turn in a little space of time? And how this will affect others systems? Expect a huge an quick disparity between players.

Suicya9 - Firstly, you can't really complain about prestige 15 players having those benefits as they are supporting the game and it is not cheap. And the game also allows you to upgrade your equipments to 6*, you probably only lose some stats in the bonus compared to the prestige set but you get the point. Next about the perfect suffix, since you mentioned you are a f2p player, you should have a limited amount of gems/equipment/heroes, that said amount of 5* equipment that you have would be small and if they are of lousy suffix won't it suck more. Now the game allows f2p players to have perfect suffix on their limited pool of equipments. (don't you think it is good for you?) At the end of the long run, both f2p and p2p can end up with the same MLB team with 6* equipments(prestige set or not), the difference is only the set bonus and tower bonus but did the f2p invest to support the game?
MisterMysterious - I see that you prefer a less competitive game? Also why bother hiding your identity unless you are afraid of something. It seems like something that a 14 y.o would do as he is not mentally ready to face the result. Why even start something when you are afraid of what might happen to you that you have to hide behind a 2nd ID.

oh, don't mind me, I'm just predicting stuff. I know p2wp keep the game alive. Re-roll suffix? Yes that would be great for f2p like me, hope you need a dupe gear to reroll. tbh, I like this re roll suffix, it's just I worry something might change, like from good to bad :/ . Anyways, don't look down on me, I'm just a type of a person who patiently wait and see where the game goes and spend money after six months of playing if the game goes the right path. Do be careful though, "did the f2p invest to support the game", you said? hahaha

Suicya9 - Firstly, you can't really complain about prestige 15 players having those benefits as they are supporting the game and it is not cheap. And the game also allows you to upgrade your equipments to 6*, you probably only lose some stats in the bonus compared to the prestige set but you get the point. Next about the perfect suffix, since you mentioned you are a f2p player, you should have a limited amount of gems/equipment/heroes, that said amount of 5* equipment that you have would be small and if they are of lousy suffix won't it suck more. Now the game allows f2p players to have perfect suffix on their limited pool of equipments. (don't you think it is good for you?) At the end of the long run, both f2p and p2p can end up with the same MLB team with 6* equipments(prestige set or not), the difference is only the set bonus and tower bonus but did the f2p invest to support the game?
MisterMysterious - I see that you prefer a less competitive game? Also why bother hiding your identity unless you are afraid of something. It seems like something that a 14 y.o would do as he is not mentally ready to face the result. Why even start something when you are afraid of what might happen to you that you have to hide behind a 2nd ID.

oh, don't mind me, I'm just predicting stuff. I know p2wp keep the game alive. Re-roll suffix? Yes that would be great for f2p like me, hope you need a dupe gear to reroll. tbh, I like this re roll suffix, it's just I worry something might change, like from good to bad :/ . Anyways, don't look down on me, I'm just a type of a person who patiently wait and see where the game goes and spend money after six months of playing if the game goes the right path. Do be careful though, "did the f2p invest to support the game", you said? hahaha

Nothing to be careful since its true. Prestige players supports the game with their hard earned money so the benefits are also naturally there, yet f2p players are complaining about it. The levels are not cheap at all.