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Kathur
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:40 am

the tackle guy said on the first page that champion is a counter to tankers. even in truth it is not, havent seen he brought that up again on the last few of his replies.

have I tried ninja? from the stats, we can compare that a lvl 30 ARES samurai Shizu has like 10-30 points less defense than a KRATOS Ninja Kai. Very significant. 


stealth? it is for 2 turns, you have the other 2 turns in which you are VERY vulnerable, shit defense + square tiles, go figure.


how do I study AI logic? I dont and I only know that AI will target the hero that has the lowest defense, but precisely ask the guy below you, the break guy who creates his hypothetical match flow on his own, it seems he's the one who creates the AI on arena.

now, theoretically speaking of said scenario from the break guy, it is very likely to happen, because everyone who use those cancer team only run 2 heroes on the squad. no rangers or mages or any other possibilities that can change the tide of the match.

"CASE 2, move your hero to the middle tile" and get ganged up by their ranger or mages or even their frontliner and die unless I use tanker? this shit again? 

If ya'll havent realized yet, I only reply points that makes sense or at least stay true to the topic.


I dont stay on my mom's basement to play a phone game and troll on the forums to feed my superiority complex.



y u guyz leevin tho?
Of course, people are leaving because you arent listening to their tactic and keep saying whatever they are suggesting doesnt work. They probably think "this is like talking to a wall, no point discussing this any further". 
 
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Arclaine
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:23 am

the tackle guy said on the first page that champion is a counter to tankers. even in truth it is not, havent seen he brought that up again on the last few of his replies.

have I tried ninja? from the stats, we can compare that a lvl 30 ARES samurai Shizu has like 10-30 points less defense than a KRATOS Ninja Kai. Very significant. 


stealth? it is for 2 turns, you have the other 2 turns in which you are VERY vulnerable, shit defense + square tiles, go figure.


how do I study AI logic? I dont and I only know that AI will target the hero that has the lowest defense, but precisely ask the guy below you, the break guy who creates his hypothetical match flow on his own, it seems he's the one who creates the AI on arena.

now, theoretically speaking of said scenario from the break guy, it is very likely to happen, because everyone who use those cancer team only run 2 heroes on the squad. no rangers or mages or any other possibilities that can change the tide of the match.

"CASE 2, move your hero to the middle tile" and get ganged up by their ranger or mages or even their frontliner and die unless I use tanker? this shit again? 

If ya'll havent realized yet, I only reply points that makes sense or at least stay true to the topic.


I dont stay on my mom's basement to play a phone game and troll on the forums to feed my superiority complex.



y u guyz leevin tho?
Of course, people are leaving because you arent listening to their tactic and keep saying whatever they are suggesting doesnt work. They probably think "this is like talking to a wall, no point discussing this any further". 
Because I never asked about any suggestion regarding my squad. Tanks are OP with the way arena works.

Talking to a wall? I mean, if their suggestion doesnt make sense, I, as a human being will not agree to it.
 
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Triglav
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:10 am

My tank chaos knight has over 8500 defence and I got one shot by a berserker champion in arena. There is a reason why in the end there are almost zero more than 2 tank teams in the arena, most only end up with 1 main tank so stop your whining and learn to play the game.
 
sweetamy
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:36 am

Guys, if you're Team Mystic.

I'll agree all of your words.

Mystic is weakest class in VF, it's should be suggestion much like this.
 
mojojo
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:05 am

top 5 arena rank atm 4 of em only got 1 tank.

u might wanna check poisonivy setup currently at no.4.
 
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Jaeger
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:25 pm

As much as I don't mind this tank meta, I'd love to see some different team combination.
Right now it's Blood knight and Ninja in almost every team.
 
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vuun
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:10 pm

li love the 2 tank 1 ninja meta 
because i can knockback and CK to swap pretty ez win (ofcourse theyre AI abuse those tank are easy)
(and yes tank cant kill your team if ur smart enough)

but 2 champion 3 archer/2archer 1mage blast all ur unit 
with archer trigger kill ninja/champion or even archer in backline too fast

i think this game is very fine at its balanced with BK kind of OP i guess
every class has placed in its strategy 

ps.champion are very OP at end game champion can be very tanky and can 1 hit bullsh1t everyone even 8.5 def guardian
yea CHAMPION ARE TOO OP 
just p2w to get 11k attack champion and stop whinning about guardian or stop playing the game
 
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roy2x
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:28 pm

li love the 2 tank 1 ninja meta 
because i can knockback and CK to swap pretty ez win (ofcourse theyre AI abuse those tank are easy)
(and yes tank cant kill your team if ur smart enough)

but 2 champion 3 archer/2archer 1mage blast all ur unit 
with archer trigger kill ninja/champion or even archer in backline too fast

i think this game is very fine at its balanced with BK kind of OP i guess
every class has placed in its strategy 

ps.champion are very OP at end game champion can be very tanky and can 1 hit bullsh1t everyone even 8.5 def guardian
yea CHAMPION ARE TOO OP 
just p2w to get 11k attack champion and stop whinning about guardian or stop playing the game
Must +15 all of my champ equips! Need dragoon freya to make really large holes on everyone.
 
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Re: It is time.

Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:23 pm

Right, lets' not argue more on this and do something MORE practical.

1) Arclaine, how about you post your heroes list, equipment list, and let the forum help in forming a possible team to deal with tanks?
2) After that, YOU try out the suggested team build, and then if it doesn't work, record a match and we'll see what you have possibly done wrong, or maybe its just the opponent.
3) Then, try again. Repeat 2 and 3 until win, ok?

Notes:
Due to whales and early CBT players having possibly 5*+15 full equipment and possibly +15 runes, in addition to maybe mlb, nobody can guarantee you 100% wins, because some stacks stacking to still too great to overcome. And if you think that all free players can win against whales, its not the case here.
 
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GraySea
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Re: It is time.

Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:06 am

Right, lets' not argue more on this and do something MORE practical.

1) Arclaine, how about you post your heroes list, equipment list, and let the forum help in forming a possible team to deal with tanks?
2) After that, YOU try out the suggested team build, and then if it doesn't work, record a match and we'll see what you have possibly done wrong, or maybe its just the opponent.
3) Then, try again. Repeat 2 and 3 until win, ok?

Notes:
Due to whales and early CBT players having possibly 5*+15 full equipment and possibly +15 runes, in addition to maybe mlb, nobody can guarantee you 100% wins, because some stacks stacking to still too great to overcome. And if you think that all free players can win against whales, its not the case here.
It's kinda no point to him because:
1) He's stated not asking for help to build his team -- he thinks his team is fine, it's the Tanks that's bullshit
2) He rejects mainstream counters - Swap/Knockbacks, with his reasoning listed
3) Repeat 1 and 2
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