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CK's great, but having to make a Darrion into a CK seems kinda wasteful when Victoria CK is only very slightly weaker than him. Also, I would say while Shizu samurai's aura sounds like a godsend for trigger lineups on paper, it doesn't quite do what it has been described to. What it actually does is give that unit (lets call him unit A) in the aura that is attacking a 30% chance of striking again, as opposed to also giving units B and C (also in her aura) a 30% chance to attack when A attacked. Shizu samurai attacking an enemy herself only gives herself the chance to strike again and doesn't trigger anyone in her aura to attack, as opposed to magebane/warlord's aura.

An ideal trigger lineup would consists of warlord, magebane and 3 archers. I myself tried to put up a trigger-fest lineup with a samurai; no, it doesn't work.

Fresh player (1 weeks old) here!
This forum has been quite helpful for me

Salivating over the damage count and the tactic when viewing the video.. ( Barely capable of balancing win count to loss count with what I currently got )
Wonder how long it will take to build myself a decent arena team..

Anyhow, talking about 4* hero, I recently promoted a Rin into Kensei, and found out that her aura actually caused all other heroes within her aura square to attack three times each even when she only killed her primary target with her normal attack, with the rest of her target intact. Is it normal, or is it because of some bug that has not been fixed?

On further observation, her skill however, triggers the aura as supposedly (ie. if she kills only 2 targets with it the aura will only triggers twice).

Yes. Kai actually can only go for ninja and assassin, because the other 2 classes is too inferior to shizu. I go for ninja shizu because i have a assassin kai and plan to LB it. Sometme, its not worth it to switch place with enemy, esp boss level where the slient is very useful. As i having a chaos knight darrion soon, so he will be that can switch the boss while taunting it, why keep the boss wasting its turn going towards it, and silenced.
I hope i get her again on the next ticket, so i can go for samurai, even though faith is still a problem for us right now.

CK Darrion also excels at PVP! I actually want a Darrion and I'll make it an offensive CK able to tap for alot of damage after getting mid-tile. Though I really have alot of different plans, I'm still mostly focusing on PVE. PVP is secondary for me.

With the idea of making your next Shizu a Samurai, do note that having her in the team would also mean you need to re-adjust your composition into something that will benefit alot from her aura or skill. She can be a standalone for trigger fests but having another trigger team surround her also works really great.

CK's great, but having to make a Darrion into a CK seems kinda wasteful when Victoria CK is only very slightly weaker than him. Also, I would say while Shizu samurai's aura sounds like a godsend for trigger lineups on paper, it doesn't quite do what it has been described to. What it actually does is give that unit (lets call him unit A) in the aura that is attacking a 30% chance of striking again, as opposed to also giving units B and C (also in her aura) a 30% chance to attack when A attacked. Shizu samurai attacking an enemy herself only gives herself the chance to strike again and doesn't trigger anyone in her aura to attack, as opposed to magebane/warlord's aura.

An ideal trigger lineup would consists of warlord, magebane and 3 archers. I myself tried to put up a trigger-fest lineup with a samurai; no, it doesn't work.

Using Darrion as CK isn't wasteful and the difference isn't "slight". Darrion has both atk and def boost at 15% while Victoria only has 12%/13%. Another factor is that, I want my main tank to be a Victoria HD (for events like PoE/PoU), not an HD Darrion. % damag reductions always applies first before def reduction so Victoria HD will always scale against any amount of enemy atk, not to mention, she's safe if defense mechanics get's a revamp.

About Samurai Shizu's aura, I already know from long time ago. I have corrected many people in here on how Samurai Shizu aura works. Like my reply here viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2005&start=20#p13038

Sure she doesn't command anyone to attack when she attacks but what she does instead is to give anyone who attacks on her aura a chance to keep attacking and this is very potent unlike command triggers as they are limited to proc others only when they attack. Considering the fact that a lone Samurai can even trigger a single unit up to even 7 times alone w/o any help from others is already amazing -- so adding a solid trigger team surrounding her will greatly benefit from the aura making the chain longer and consistent.

Edit: Forgot to mention, Shizu cannot trigger herself

Using Darrion as CK isn't wasteful and the difference isn't "slight". Darrion has both atk and def boost at 15% while Victoria only has 12%/13%. Another factor is that, I want my main tank to be a Victoria HD (for events like PoE/PoU), not an HD Darrion. % damag reductions always applies first before def reduction so Victoria HD will always scale against any amount of enemy atk, not to mention, she's safe if defense mechanics get's a revamp.

About Samurai Shizu's aura, I already know from long time ago. I have corrected many people in here on how Samurai Shizu aura works. Like my reply here viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2005&start=20#p13038

Sure she doesn't command anyone to attack when she attacks but what she does instead is to give anyone who attacks on her aura a chance to keep attacking and this is very potent unlike command triggers as they are limited to proc others only when they attack. Considering the fact that a lone Samurai can even trigger a single unit up to even 7 times alone w/o any help from others is already amazing -- so adding a solid trigger team surrounding her will greatly benefit from the aura making the chain longer and consistent.

Edit: Forgot to mention, Shizu cannot trigger herself

She CAN trigger herself to strike again, but that itself still doesn't fit the trigger-fest agenda since she can't trigger other trigger units to trigger their own aura to kick-start a trigger-fest. Plus, look what you yourself stated. She "give anyone who attacks on her aura a chance" to trigger their aura, yet you contradicted yourself with "they are limited to proc others only when they attack". Both require they themselves (besides shizu samurai) to attack to kick-start a trigger-fest; what she provides is a 30% chance to others to try to trigger their aura again should they fail to the first time they attack. She actually "breaks" the trigger chain herself since she doesn't trigger others herself in contrast to a magebane-warlord-gunslinger-granranger trigger-fest square formation.

Using Darrion as CK isn't wasteful and the difference isn't "slight". Darrion has both atk and def boost at 15% while Victoria only has 12%/13%. Another factor is that, I want my main tank to be a Victoria HD (for events like PoE/PoU), not an HD Darrion. % damag reductions always applies first before def reduction so Victoria HD will always scale against any amount of enemy atk, not to mention, she's safe if defense mechanics get's a revamp.

About Samurai Shizu's aura, I already know from long time ago. I have corrected many people in here on how Samurai Shizu aura works. Like my reply here viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2005&start=20#p13038

Sure she doesn't command anyone to attack when she attacks but what she does instead is to give anyone who attacks on her aura a chance to keep attacking and this is very potent unlike command triggers as they are limited to proc others only when they attack. Considering the fact that a lone Samurai can even trigger a single unit up to even 7 times alone w/o any help from others is already amazing -- so adding a solid trigger team surrounding her will greatly benefit from the aura making the chain longer and consistent.

Edit: Forgot to mention, Shizu cannot trigger herself

She CAN trigger herself to strike again, but that itself still doesn't fit the trigger-fest agenda since she can't trigger other trigger units to trigger their own aura to kick-start a trigger-fest. Plus, look what you yourself stated. She "give anyone who attacks on her aura a chance" to trigger their aura, yet you contradicted yourself with "they are limited to proc others only when they attack". Both require they themselves (besides shizu samurai) to attack to kick-start a trigger-fest; what she provides is a 30% chance to others to try to trigger their aura again should they fail to the first time they attack. She actually "breaks" the trigger chain herself since she doesn't trigger others herself in contrast to a magebane-warlord-gunslinger-granranger trigger-fest square formation.

No she can't trigger herself to attack again, I've been playing Samurai Shizu for so long as she's my first valiant and she's currently Lv36 cause I keep getting her, she's always in my team therefore I'm sure she cannot trigger herself based on my experience. She doesn't break a trigger chain, she just increases the chances of the chain to continue making it more consistent simply because everytime a unit on her aura attacks, they have another 30% chance to attack again and that triggered attack, whether it came from Shizu's or the other trigger unit, will still get the same 30% chance to attack again. She does not need to start the trigger combos, she's just there to make it consistent.

A trigger team doesn't always need 4 same aura types just to keep a cycle going like 1 triggers 2 to attack, 2 triggers 3 to attack, 3 triggers 4 to attack then 4 triggers 1 to attack again just to create a cycle. 3 units around Samurai Shizu can already do alot of chain triggers since each command unit around her just needs to have their auras pointing at each other.

To elaborate it more, imagine this,
Shizu            - Command 1
Command 2 - Command 3

Everyone's aura points at each other nearby.
> Command 1 attacks. At the instance of attack, this unit can have 1 or 2 triggers. 1 is to trigger self to attack again because of Shizu's aura, another is to trigger others to attack as the said unit has command aura or even trigger both. Let's say Command 1 only triggered his own aura and made Shizu + Command 3 attack.
> Command 3 attacks. At the instance of attack, the unit can trigger Command 1 and Command 2 to attack. Let's say Command 3 managed to make Command 1 and Command 2 to attack.
> Command 1 and 2 attacks. Both of them has a chance to trigger 1 or 2 triggers in that instance. They can either trigger self to attack again or command others to attack or both.

So what is the problem in that kind of setup? None.
Is it more potent? Yes, because Shizu's aura can literally make the units on her aura keep attacking again and again whether it's from her own aura proc or from command 3's proc.

She CAN trigger herself to strike again, but that itself still doesn't fit the trigger-fest agenda since she can't trigger other trigger units to trigger their own aura to kick-start a trigger-fest. Plus, look what you yourself stated. She "give anyone who attacks on her aura a chance" to trigger their aura, yet you contradicted yourself with "they are limited to proc others only when they attack". Both require they themselves (besides shizu samurai) to attack to kick-start a trigger-fest; what she provides is a 30% chance to others to try to trigger their aura again should they fail to the first time they attack. She actually "breaks" the trigger chain herself since she doesn't trigger others herself in contrast to a magebane-warlord-gunslinger-granranger trigger-fest square formation.

No she can't trigger herself to attack again, I've been playing Samurai Shizu for so long as she's my first valiant and she's currently Lv36 cause I keep getting her, she's always in my team therefore I'm sure she cannot trigger herself based on my experience. She doesn't break a trigger chain, she just increases the chances of the chain to continue making it more consistent simply because everytime a unit on her aura attacks, they have another 30% chance to attack again and that triggered attack, whether it came from Shizu's or the other trigger unit, will still get the same 30% chance to attack again. She does not need to start the trigger combos, she's just there to make it consistent.

A trigger team doesn't always need 4 same aura types just to keep a cycle going like 1 triggers 2 to attack, 2 triggers 3 to attack, 3 triggers 4 to attack then 4 triggers 1 to attack again just to create a cycle. 3 units around Samurai Shizu can already do alot of chain triggers since each command unit around her just needs to have their auras pointing at each other.

To elaborate it more, imagine this,
Shizu            - Command 1
Command 2 - Command 3

Everyone's aura points at each other nearby.
> Command 1 attacks. At the instance of attack, this unit can have 1 or 2 triggers. 1 is to trigger self to attack again because of Shizu's aura, another is to trigger others to attack as the said unit has command aura or even trigger both. Let's say Command 1 only triggered his own aura and made Shizu + Command 3 attack.
> Command 3 attacks. At the instance of attack, the unit can trigger Command 1 and Command 2 to attack. Let's say Command 3 managed to make Command 1 and Command 2 to attack.
> Command 1 and 2 attacks. Both of them has a chance to trigger 1 or 2 triggers in that instance. They can either trigger self to attack again or command others to attack or both.

So what is the problem in that kind of setup? None.
Is it more potent? Yes, because Shizu's aura can literally make the units on her aura keep attacking again and again whether it's from her own aura proc or from command 3's proc.

Yes, if you read the aura again, it says it allows others to trigger others. By the way others might include shizu, but she need to be able to hit a target, but i dont have any to try. But based on the aura description, it just say that others have 30% chance to trigger others. so anyone in the "others" aura can attack again, including the one that trigger it. So if luck is on you, you can literally see it run all time long.
I still rem the seph, and I have 2 seph with kane behind. Just 3 of them with correct aura pointing, i have 9 chain combo.

Yes, if you read the aura again, it says it allows others to trigger others. By the way others might include shizu, but she need to be able to hit a target, but i dont have any to try. But based on the aura description, it just say that others have 30% chance to trigger others. so anyone in the "others" aura can attack again, including the one that trigger it. So if luck is on you, you can literally see it run all time long.
I still rem the seph, and I have 2 seph with kane behind. Just 3 of them with correct aura pointing, i have 9 chain combo.

When others on aura attack, there is a 30% chance to:
Trigger attacking unit to attack with 85% of their ATK.

A trigger team doesn't always need 4 same aura types just to keep a cycle going like 1 triggers 2 to attack, 2 triggers 3 to attack, 3 triggers 4 to attack then 4 triggers 1 to attack again just to create a cycle. 3 units around Samurai Shizu can already do alot of chain triggers since each command unit around her just needs to have their auras pointing at each other.

To elaborate it more, imagine this,
Shizu            - Command 1
Command 2 - Command 3

Everyone's aura points at each other nearby.
> Command 1 attacks. At the instance of attack, this unit can have 1 or 2 triggers. 1 is to trigger self to attack again because of Shizu's aura, another is to trigger others to attack as the said unit has command aura or even trigger both. Let's say Command 1 only triggered his own aura and made Shizu + Command 3 attack.
> Command 3 attacks. At the instance of attack, the unit can trigger Command 1 and Command 2 to attack. Let's say Command 3 managed to make Command 1 and Command 2 to attack.
> Command 1 and 2 attacks. Both of them has a chance to trigger 1 or 2 triggers in that instance. They can either trigger self to attack again or command others to attack or both.

So what is the problem in that kind of setup? None.
Is it more potent? Yes, because Shizu's aura can literally make the units on her aura keep attacking again and again whether it's from her own aura proc or from command 3's proc.

Yes, if you read the aura again, it says it allows others to trigger others. By the way others might include shizu, but she need to be able to hit a target, but i dont have any to try. But based on the aura description, it just say that others have 30% chance to trigger others. so anyone in the "others" aura can attack again, including the one that trigger it. So if luck is on you, you can literally see it run all time long.
I still rem the seph, and I have 2 seph with kane behind. Just 3 of them with correct aura pointing, i have 9 chain combo.

Sadly, this isn't the case. I've tried to correct many people's misunderstanding on Samurai Shizu's aura. The wording of "Flow of the Sword" should be,

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When others on aura attack, there is a 30% chance to:
Trigger attacking unit to attack with 85% of their ATK.

She also cannot trigger her own aura hersel as intended because it says "others" not "everyone".