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Maybe most newcomers haven't try out the arena yet? I think they need to have at least 1 arena match to be listed in the opponent list. So let says most newcomer hasnt really try it out yet or most of them are at the bottom tier so maybe that's why all the one you're facing are CBT who have changed their names?

I'm not entirely convinced, there are over ten thousand downloads based on google alone, I don't know about iOS. But CBT players now only are only a fraction of the whole player base.

You can't cross out any possibilities since we don't have any concrete evidence you see

I'm just listing out.
And if people can pull 3 5☆units and is level 32 ok the 3rd day of launch, I don't see any reason why they cant be up there o.o?

Do you know VF is top grossing no.16 overtaking candy crush? Guess the amount of whales is unexpectedly huge.

Yes, that's precisely why I put the word 'possibility' in my reply to Arcarius.

Look at it this way, there is a FAQ that clearly states that there will be no wipe for CB unless a serious technical problem occurs. Says, if there is a wipe when there is no problem, how much more issue would that raise? 
If you are running a business and you go back on your words, you could have lost it all.

This isn't a valid argument for why a CBT wipe shouldn't occur. Moreover in the very early days of the game being promoted, a data wipe was something that they were planning to do. It was only during the CBT that they decided, in part due to CBT players' (selfish?) feedback, to not wipe the data. 

It seems illogical that the dev team is catering to a group of people who may have flouted their terms and conditions with regards to participating in the CBT, and are doing very little to create a healthy, sustainable environment for the game. If the feedback from the OBT players are anything to go by, if they continue to not consider the existing issues that a no-wipe is causing, they'll be losing a far bigger playerbase than what they would have if they handled the CBT properly. At this point asking for a wipe is futile, but the fact that the dev team isn't addressing this issue at all and the official launch was so underwhelming are things that do not bode well for the future of this game.

Could you perhaps provide a link to where the discussion was held that influenced the data wipe decision? I would very much like to read it myself. I've joined at the very end of August, 2nd or 3rd batch I think? During that time the FAQ stated there would be no wipe unless a serious bug or problem occurred, I too thought it was the original plan but some of you are saying otherwise.

This was a post I saw in another thread.

Thanks for posting this as a CBT player, and that comment from you about the Devs during the event is very interesting to take note of.

Based on what you have mentioned in other threads about the events / benefits that CBT players have had, it feels like it was originally planned that a wipe should happen. However, as the Official Launch drew near, they changed their minds and decided not to wipe.

Nah, the wipe discussion is brought up during the first wave of CBT, however i think a number of players was against it so the decision was made during that period. I was invited later, so i've no idea when it actually happens. Anyway the decision had been made, so there's nothing that i said will change the fact. My suggestion is to go along with that, hopefully i can think of more ideas to fight for newbies.

In the earlier days, way back before the limited CBT period was even announced, I also recall seeing a post on their Facebook discussing a wipe but there was an overwhelming response against it. However I can no longer find the post so this may just be my old age playing tricks on my memories.

I've already stated in my previous post that I don't think a wipe would help now. I don't understand why some of you CBT players are continuing to get defensive over how OBT players are unhappy about the lack of control over what was supposed to be a limited, closed, and exclusive CBT period, and the lack of a proper launch for the game. Most of you guys who are for the data wipe have yet to put forth any solid points about why the no-wipe was beneficial for anyone except the CBT players. There's a massive gap between the new players and the CBT players now; yes, it's possible to somehow catch up to the lower tiers of the CBT players if we put in an insane amount of hours, have good RNG AND lots of money to whale with, but this shouldn't be happening this early in the start of a new game. Not only is this disappointing for all the players who were not selected for CBT but waited patiently for the game to be released, this gap is unhealthy for the future of the game, and creates a really underwhelming start for new players.

I can only think of several reasonings as to why the data wipe is not possible is because:
1. There's too much sacrifices by the CBT
2. New players can't be address as a whole simply because they come in "waves". What I mean is after this 1st wave of new players' problems are solved, another wave of (2nd wave) new players' problems will arrive.
3. In the eyes of B7, just like how they try to accommodate new players, the current CBT is like their "clients". In comparison, new players are "users". Both have importancy but the clients who have alrdy put in effort earn more attention than those given by the users because they contributed while the users are here just because it's up.

So instead of addressing all the new players together, the term that is in the discussion should be "those that wasn't chosen for CBT" instead of grouping them together with "new players" because I believe most of the people who were left out in CBT wants to be on par with CBT players for one reason they cannot go against is: they do not have the privilege to get selected for the CBT. It is NOT within their means to get hold of invitations.

There are cases where uninvited entered the CBT server (through other means) originally intended for that specific pool which causes potential CBT players to get drop. And there's one thing we cant control is the email origin. You can have 1 person who sent multiple emails or not is something B7 can't prevent.

Then there is the commotion which will die down overtime. And once it's died down because no attention is being given, they will continue their daily operation as usual.

I have a few things I don't entirely agree with. For example, "New players can't be address as a whole simply because they come in "waves". What I mean is after this 1st wave of new players' problems are solved, another wave of (2nd wave) new players' problems will arrive." We were talking about OFFICIAL LAUNCH VS NO CBT WIPE. My point is to talk about how an Official Launch doesn't feel like an official launch - it feels like CBT was the official launch to a private pool of people while this "official launch" is basically them finally opening it up to the public. An analogy would be a shop giving members a headstart in their sales, and eventually opening it up to the public.


And it is incorrect also to term it as "people who were not invited to the CBT", because ANY NEW PLAYER that enters the arena and sees a bunch of 5*s in the ranking a few days after official launch would feel that it's unfair. A good example would be Pokemon GO, where within the first day of release in Singapore led to a massive outrage because Spoofers who had been playing beforehand had an inherent advantage over legitimate new players.

In common practice, after CBT comes a wipe however it is not a forced strict rule that every game dev needs to follow.  It's futile at this point to make them do what you want (cbt wipe) as they have already moved forward.  As a CBT player since Aug 30, I preferred a wipe but constantly begging for a wipe saying it's unfair and given people advantages over new players is somewhat a waste of time.  Everybody starts at 0 at different times with almost the same stuff (new players got more to do than what I've seen at the start).  Now tell me, if there was a wipe, everyone starts at zero at the same time, can new players keep up with the CBT players or would they be left behind again and complain?

In a competitive world like arena, I would rather see the best of the best at the top so I could gauge my lineup if I can reach the top too.  If not, I go back to the drawing board, do some mix and match, and experiment.  Most people are scared of big players however you can use them as a guide on how to shape your game.

Ignoring the "constantly begging for a wipe" part and assuming you're talking about some imaginary people, the original intent of posts like this is less about complaining about no-wipe, but offering opinions about how this is unhealthy for the game. Also, im quite done with giving repeated answers to the same argument, so please scroll up and see my previous post + analogies, as well as other posts, on why a wipe would feel fairer than what is happening now.

Here. I'll link you the thread I started about this. Do take a read if you have time.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=589

This isn't a valid argument for why a CBT wipe shouldn't occur. Moreover in the very early days of the game being promoted, a data wipe was something that they were planning to do. It was only during the CBT that they decided, in part due to CBT players' (selfish?) feedback, to not wipe the data. 

It seems illogical that the dev team is catering to a group of people who may have flouted their terms and conditions with regards to participating in the CBT, and are doing very little to create a healthy, sustainable environment for the game. If the feedback from the OBT players are anything to go by, if they continue to not consider the existing issues that a no-wipe is causing, they'll be losing a far bigger playerbase than what they would have if they handled the CBT properly. At this point asking for a wipe is futile, but the fact that the dev team isn't addressing this issue at all and the official launch was so underwhelming are things that do not bode well for the future of this game.

Could you perhaps provide a link to where the discussion was held that influenced the data wipe decision? I would very much like to read it myself. I've joined at the very end of August, 2nd or 3rd batch I think? During that time the FAQ stated there would be no wipe unless a serious bug or problem occurred, I too thought it was the original plan but some of you are saying otherwise.

This was a post I saw in another thread.

Thanks for posting this as a CBT player, and that comment from you about the Devs during the event is very interesting to take note of.

Based on what you have mentioned in other threads about the events / benefits that CBT players have had, it feels like it was originally planned that a wipe should happen. However, as the Official Launch drew near, they changed their minds and decided not to wipe.

Nah, the wipe discussion is brought up during the first wave of CBT, however i think a number of players was against it so the decision was made during that period. I was invited later, so i've no idea when it actually happens. Anyway the decision had been made, so there's nothing that i said will change the fact. My suggestion is to go along with that, hopefully i can think of more ideas to fight for newbies.

In the earlier days, way back before the limited CBT period was even announced, I also recall seeing a post on their Facebook discussing a wipe but there was an overwhelming response against it. However I can no longer find the post so this may just be my old age playing tricks on my memories.

I've already stated in my previous post that I don't think a wipe would help now. I don't understand why some of you CBT players are continuing to get defensive over how OBT players are unhappy about the lack of control over what was supposed to be a limited, closed, and exclusive CBT period, and the lack of a proper launch for the game. Most of you guys who are for the data wipe have yet to put forth any solid points about why the no-wipe was beneficial for anyone except the CBT players. There's a massive gap between the new players and the CBT players now; yes, it's possible to somehow catch up to the lower tiers of the CBT players if we put in an insane amount of hours, have good RNG AND lots of money to whale with, but this shouldn't be happening this early in the start of a new game. Not only is this disappointing for all the players who were not selected for CBT but waited patiently for the game to be released, this gap is unhealthy for the future of the game, and creates a really underwhelming start for new players.

There's obviously a gap between CBT and new players right now, not once have I advocated otherwise. But crying fowl here isn't going to make things better, time is better spent on suggesting ways to make it better. If you let your competitive side take away your fun in a game, you're just wasting away...

I can only think of several reasonings as to why the data wipe is not possible is because:
1. There's too much sacrifices by the CBT
2. New players can't be address as a whole simply because they come in "waves". What I mean is after this 1st wave of new players' problems are solved, another wave of (2nd wave) new players' problems will arrive.
3. In the eyes of B7, just like how they try to accommodate new players, the current CBT is like their "clients". In comparison, new players are "users". Both have importancy but the clients who have alrdy put in effort earn more attention than those given by the users because they contributed while the users are here just because it's up.

So instead of addressing all the new players together, the term that is in the discussion should be "those that wasn't chosen for CBT" instead of grouping them together with "new players" because I believe most of the people who were left out in CBT wants to be on par with CBT players for one reason they cannot go against is: they do not have the privilege to get selected for the CBT. It is NOT within their means to get hold of invitations.

There are cases where uninvited entered the CBT server (through other means) originally intended for that specific pool which causes potential CBT players to get drop. And there's one thing we cant control is the email origin. You can have 1 person who sent multiple emails or not is something B7 can't prevent.

Then there is the commotion which will die down overtime. And once it's died down because no attention is being given, they will continue their daily operation as usual.

I have a few things I don't entirely agree with. For example, "New players can't be address as a whole simply because they come in "waves". What I mean is after this 1st wave of new players' problems are solved, another wave of (2nd wave) new players' problems will arrive." We were talking about OFFICIAL LAUNCH VS NO CBT WIPE. My point is to talk about how an Official Launch doesn't feel like an official launch - it feels like CBT was the official launch to a private pool of people while this "official launch" is basically them finally opening it up to the public. An analogy would be a shop giving members a headstart in their sales, and eventually opening it up to the public.


And it is incorrect also to term it as "people who were not invited to the CBT", because ANY NEW PLAYER that enters the arena and sees a bunch of 5*s in the ranking a few days after official launch would feel that it's unfair. A good example would be Pokemon GO, where within the first day of release in Singapore led to a massive outrage because Spoofers who had been playing beforehand had an inherent advantage over legitimate new players.

After reading your comment I've got an idea from where youre coming from: the Dev isn't giving any attractive packages for an auspicious launch event is that what you're saying?

Yeah. In Dragon Blaze or 7k, everytime there's a new content they will have many packages on sales to celebrate the new content. Idk why but the only reason that i can think of as to why they are doing this is because it would be unfair for those who are sitting on the fence seeing how the development is going. Take for example "The Division" and "Evolve". Both are very promising and people have high expectation but because they overmarketed they are unable to deliver their promise. Being in Singapore, one distinct trait we all have is the little risk that we are afraid to take especially because this is Singapore, I think they are treading carefully not to over promise the new players.

As for the reason why I term it as "people who were not invited for CBT" is because in this bunch of new players there is two distinct groups in it. 1 being those who registered and want to play in CBT arena and the other group being those who play for content or they are the players who happen to see a new game and want to try.
For the 2nd group of players, they wouldn't pay much attention in the arena because the game is still in her infancy stage but simply enjoying the game so these are the people who doesn't feel the impact of being outplay by CBT.
As for the 1st group, they will feel vexed. So I use the term "people who were not invited for CBT" but to be clearer it should be "competitive players who were not invited for CBT".

Ignoring the "constantly begging for a wipe" part and assuming you're talking about some imaginary people, the original intent of posts like this is less about complaining about no-wipe, but offering opinions about how this is unhealthy for the game. Also, im quite done with giving repeated answers to the same argument, so please scroll up and see my previous post + analogies, as well as other posts, on why a wipe would feel fairer than what is happening now.

Here. I'll link you the thread I started about this. Do take a read if you have time.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=589

The words "unhealthy" and "fair" can have different meanings for each individual who uses it.  "It's unfair they got a head start, it's fairer for a wipe."  Even if this gets dragged on and on, the weird part of it is people keep on saying the intent is discussing how unhealthy the no-wipe is but indirectly they would still want a wipe.

How can a small group of CBT players who already have a foundation affect a flood of new players who wish to be up par with them?  The new players may see it as, "they're up there, I've got nothing, this game is hard,"  OR  "oh that's what they've done, I can do it too, let's start building up my squad."  It's really up to the individual to either make their foundation so they could make a home in this game or keep on discussing it while it has been said since the beginning, no wipe.  

After reading that thread, I know how frustrating it is when your expectations are crushed when something doesn't go the way you wanted it to be.  I had my fair share of frustrations and struggles when the first event, Lulu, was out and I couldn't complete it.  Second event, Aaria, was way harder and I barely completed it.  Now this Halloween event, even if your team dies, it still counts as a victory which is a shock to me and made me chuckle that it became fun.  As for arena, before I just looked at it as heroes vs heroes.  Now it's more like my heroes are chess pieces, where do I position them, and how to move them to victory.  Enough of my ramblings.  I should focus on prepping for the next event.  :D

Right this is how I see it:

>This thread was started because OP discussed that the CBT players have more time to play therefore gained a huge amount of advantage
>Derailed into the argument that CBTs as a whole are testing grounds therefore it only make sense that wipe is included
>Argument of semantics

To address these points:

-CBT players indeed do have more play time to gain access to more units, weapons, event rewards etc, but let's not forget we also have to do all the mistakes so that we can tell other people not to make our mistakes, like demolishing my high level armorsmith just to have it buff'd, or not picking the right unit because no one knew what the meta was, oh not to mention, that 5* ticket that we never get, etc. Seeing how every newbie on the street are asking 'What is the best Teresa', 'How to build my team', I think it's safe to say CBT players are essentially your trailblazer and you're reaping what we sow as well. I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it's not like we don't put effort into the game too. Also, just so everyone knows, not all of the CBT players have orange weapons, only the ones who paid a substantial amount of gems does.

-Even if we DO have a wipe, CBT players still have their own experience to make their gameplay/growth much more efficient. That in itself is still an advantage. To expand on it, there'll always be newbie joining the game, so what are you going to say to those newbie to joined the game 3 months later? Let's cut to the chase, getting to the CBT is not a hard thing, you wanted to legitimise your way of doing it, your choice, but don't blame others who don't do what you personally commit to. It's like literally hating on the opportunistic person who jumped on a good chance.

-However personally I think it would've been better for the devs just to reset the game and use the "it's CBT" card cuz I'm so sick and tired of people feeling unfair and entitled to their so called fairness when all they did was nothing. I started 2 weeks after CBT is open, and I'm still catching up to people who plays since day 1, did I feel incredibly frustrating that I'm unable to catch up? Yes. But what I do about it? I play the damn game and stop thinking and internalising how woe is me.

Right this is how I see it:

>This thread was started because OP discussed that the CBT players have more time to play therefore gained a huge amount of advantage
>Derailed into the argument that CBTs as a whole are testing grounds therefore it only make sense that wipe is included
>Argument of semantics

To address these points:

-CBT players indeed do have more play time to gain access to more units, weapons, event rewards etc, but let's not forget we also have to do all the mistakes so that we can tell other people not to make our mistakes, like demolishing my high level armorsmith just to have it buff'd, or not picking the right unit because no one knew what the meta was, oh not to mention, that 5* ticket that we never get, etc. Seeing how every newbie on the street are asking 'What is the best Teresa', 'How to build my team', I think it's safe to say CBT players are essentially your trailblazer and you're reaping what we sow as well. I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it's not like we don't put effort into the game too. Also, just so everyone knows, not all of the CBT players have orange weapons, only the ones who paid a substantial amount of gems does.

-Even if we DO have a wipe, CBT players still have their own experience to make their gameplay/growth much more efficient. That in itself is still an advantage. To expand on it, there'll always be newbie joining the game, so what are you going to say to those newbie to joined the game 3 months later? Let's cut to the chase, getting to the CBT is not a hard thing, you wanted to legitimise your way of doing it, your choice, but don't blame others who don't do what you personally commit to. It's like literally hating on the opportunistic person who jumped on a good chance.

-However personally I think it would've been better for the devs just to reset the game and use the "it's CBT" card cuz I'm so sick and tired of people feeling unfair and entitled to their so called fairness when all they did was nothing. I started 2 weeks after CBT is open, and I'm still catching up to people who plays since day 1, did I feel incredibly frustrating that I'm unable to catch up? Yes. But what I do about it? I play the damn game and stop thinking and internalising how woe is me.

TAKE MY COOKIE!!!

TBH I feel sick of people who always talk about fairness
We screw up with wrong job promotion
We screw up with mystic
We suffer in normal newbie take four days to complete heroic
We take more time to level up
We clawing in daily event and legendary act 4 with tons of fail just to find the way to beat it
We don't know who to ask when we must make our decision
When they just download the game, have op equips, 5* hero and just ask for the thing they don't know
It's about fair u know?

Being a player who started 1 week before the "OBT", I also felt that the gap is wide. 

However like in real life, there will always be this gap. There is no such thing as equality, fairness etc no matter how much you wish for.

People who are born in 3rd world countries will bemoan their luck while people born in developed countries will thank their gods.

Wipe or not, as long as the game is fun, play it. If it's not even if there is a wipe you wouldn't play it either.

Work with the system, think of creative new ideas to progress. Every little bit counts.

I'm still running 4* units, with 3* green gear at +6 max and finally completed the event. 

My win rate at arena is 45-50%. I'm still stuck at the lowest tier but I somehow manage to win "100" times in arena to complete the mission required.

I also gained 50 halloween pumpkins per try with normal difficulty and completed the other events as well.

On a last note, I've not spent a single cent so far, probably will do so in the future if the servers are stable. As it is right now it's not very stable at all.