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I once lost 5 times in a row and saw my points dropping like no tomorrow, i died inside a little..

I came here to +1.
Nothing to add.

I play many games before and PvP have always been like so. It's very hard to balance and whaler will win. For a F2P player to win and move upscale is pretty damn hard.
Just take PVP like a pinch of salt for you to get that valiant ticket if you are F2P. It's like working in a all degree holder company, you never have a place, but you slowly work, you might find a path. Nothing is fair.

I agree that the point calculation is stupid, but only for calculating point loss from losing the PvP.

From my experience, the arena point gained is a sum of:
1. Hero Loss Bonus: # of your remaining heroes
2. Lead Point Bonus: the difference points between you & your opponent (3 - 5).
3. Rank Difference Bonus: the rank difference between you & your opponent (3 - 5).

For #2, the bigger the point gap between you & your opponent, the bigger your arena point you gained.
If you win 100-to-20something, you'll get 5 points.
If you win 100-to-90, you'll only get 3 points.

For #3, it's up to your luck. The maximum point I got is 5 points, and when facing opponent with similar arena point with me, it netted me 3 points.
The winning point calculation does make some sense. At least you can do the math.

HOWEVER
It's an entirely different story for point loss calculation.

The only thing that seems flexible is the Hero Loss point and the other two is fixed to -5.
One time I lost against an opponent 98-to-100, and I got -5  in the Lead Point part .

So, yeah, if you win, you can gain up to 15 points, theoretically... But if you lose, you're certain to lose more than 10 points.
It doesn't seem really fair to me.

Yes the calculation is so unfair
I hope devs would clear it up on how they calculate arena points.

I cannot figure out how the points system work when losing. I think the points rewarded for winning are correct but not the points rewarded when losing.

No it's not stupid..

It help you to go down to your last safe point when you feel that your squad is not competitive enough to climb higher..
Sometimes when I winning 8-10 times in a row game bring me squad with ranks gap up to 100-150 pts and when I lose I will fall again just to meet with balanced opponent..
It give me more token rather than climbing fast, meet with strong squad and be beaten..

Tbh the point system is not 'stupid' because its fair enough since you are facing an AI not a real person.

As far as i experienced on arena points, is that the major cause of this 'stupid' calculation is that the game calculate your Rank diffence points by a strange (kind of unfair but meh you fight an AI..) gap.

For example you have X250 points u gt matched with someone slightly higher than / equal with you lets say X260 the max rank diff point you can possibly get is 4.
BUT if you gt matched with someone even if its only slightly lower than you lets say X245/240 the game will gve u max 3 points.

To get max points (5) you need at least a significant amount of point dif like 50+ points higher than you (if you are @X250 you need to face enemy with X300 pts to get max rank dif bonus pts). While you get the min pts (3) bonus if you fight sm1 with 5-10~ pts lower than you.

As for the other two bonus points is pretty clear how they work, calculating numbers of heroes remaining between players and tile point difference.

Tbh the point system is not 'stupid' because its fair enough since you are facing an AI not a real person.

As far as i experienced on arena points, is that the major cause of this 'stupid' calculation is that the game calculate your Rank diffence points by a strange (kind of unfair but meh you fight an AI..) gap.

For example you have X250 points u gt matched with someone slightly higher than / equal with you lets say X260 the max rank diff point you can possibly get is 4.
BUT if you gt matched with someone even if its only slightly lower than you lets say X245/240 the game will gve u max 3 points.

To get max points (5) you need at least a significant amount of point dif like 50+ points higher than you (if you are @X250 you need to face enemy with X300 pts to get max rank dif bonus pts). While you get the min pts (3) bonus if you fight sm1 with 5-10~ pts lower than you.

As for the other two bonus points is pretty clear how they work, calculating numbers of heroes remaining between players and tile point difference.

Can u explain how points are calculated when losing (if u could)? I'm curious myself coz whether I lose in close battle or I lose drastically, I seem to lose the same points.

Tbh the point system is not 'stupid' because its fair enough since you are facing an AI not a real person.

As far as i experienced on arena points, is that the major cause of this 'stupid' calculation is that the game calculate your Rank diffence points by a strange (kind of unfair but meh you fight an AI..) gap.

For example you have X250 points u gt matched with someone slightly higher than / equal with you lets say X260 the max rank diff point you can possibly get is 4.
BUT if you gt matched with someone even if its only slightly lower than you lets say X245/240 the game will gve u max 3 points.

To get max points (5) you need at least a significant amount of point dif like 50+ points higher than you (if you are @X250 you need to face enemy with X300 pts to get max rank dif bonus pts). While you get the min pts (3) bonus if you fight sm1 with 5-10~ pts lower than you.

As for the other two bonus points is pretty clear how they work, calculating numbers of heroes remaining between players and tile point difference.

Can u explain how points are calculated when losing (if u could)? I'm curious myself coz whether I lose in close battle or I lose drastically, I seem to lose the same points.

Well I did a test for this lets take a look :

Heres is the opponent, I have roughly close to 50 points dif lower than him. As I said on my prev post if I won against him i'll get guaranteed 4 Rank pts bonus. So what happen if i lose against him ? Lets find out

Oh crap I lost ! (Rip points) lets see the scoreboard


First the Hero loss pts, i forgot to take a screen how many of my heroes were alive at the end but if I remember correctly I had vincent, cybella, and darrion alive still. Why I got -3? I have a theory imo the base pts whether you win or lose is 1 / -1 and each hero that got killed adds 1 or -1 to the score but they cannot go higher than 5 or lower than -5 (this is just my hypothesis), so basically since I lost the match i got -3 (-1 from base pts and -2 for cause my gr cybella & kira got killed).

Second the Lead pts, now this is what usually "kills" your points. It looks like that this score has a base pts of 3 or -3 (again its just my theory), therefore its kinda complicated how to calculate this. You can see my opponent leads by 26 points and i got -5!!! Holy crap, but lets guess what are the caps on this score? Well just my guess but i think its like
[25+ lead points dif = -5 if you lose, 10-24 = -4, 0-9 = -3]

As for the third one which is the Rank dif pts, I pretty much explained my theory in previous post, if you lose against a higher ranking with 50-100 pts higher than you, you will get -3, if your point dif is between 0-49~ range you get -4, lower than that is -5. I have 44 pts lower than him so -4 for me.
So in total i got -12(rip) points.

This is all just my theory but hey who knows if part of it might be true.