Why don't you just go ahead and say people who pay the most? I hope you realize even whale don't swim in an empty ocean.
Just for one trial not using her and the story does not use her? In every game, the highest level of content will usually cater for the top players with more variety of resources to challenge it. Sometimes you just have to knowledge that this is not the level a player is at now.
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Hi Tywin, I think you miss Mikan's point. He (most likely a he) is not complaining that his SDD team cannot clear Master Trial 2. He's very disappointed and unhappy with the lack of thought that has gone into the design of a master level trial... surely the devs can think of something better than "no skills allowed", especially when the event is about skill-dependent heroes like mystics and healers, which does screw over many team comps and 2 weeks may not be enough time to put together a team solely to clear that trial.So events should only use event hero if it makes no sense? Precisely the developers want to challenge you to think outside of event heros... Ever thought that a archer trigger squad is the way to go for no skill to be used? By now there should be already many people who cleared trial 2 and if you are only stuck in the thinking that have to use talissa then prehaps you are not up to the standard required for challenging this.
I have to agree that the introduction of master is interesting and it's really indicating that it's for each gamers with all 6 * equipment. Darkness is already very tough and now with trial 2 in this form, I was shocked.
Even with a squad of 3 talissa, I still thinking how an event hero like her mystic cannot use her skill in trial 2. If shadow or champion, maybe different, but a mystic use her mag to kill. Without her skill, it's like asking her to go for ares faith for trial 2
I also find that currently, many parts of the game don't require the use of a guardian or healer or even mystic to clear the content. Just bring enough champions, shadows and rangers and kill/CC everything while using auras and potions for HP. Mystics' total damage over the 6-7 turns before they get to use their skill is less than the other 3 DPS classes. I think only Ronan comes close to total DPS done in that same time window. Maybe they should just have different counters for PVP and PVE for some skills.
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sorry this is just how the game industry has evolve since diablo 2 where people pays for better items and games developers has since catched on to this kind of revenue mode.Why don't you just go ahead and say people who pay the most? I hope you realize even whale don't swim in an empty ocean.
Just for one trial not using her and the story does not use her? In every game, the highest level of content will usually cater for the top players with more variety of resources to challenge it. Sometimes you just have to knowledge that this is not the level a player is at now.
Free players or lower level paying players has a game to play but perhaps not the highest level content but they still have a game to play and it is kinda expected that the highest lvl content might not be something for all, so whales who support the game to be able to last longer term and enable the developers to earn some decent money to provide better content are not supposed to be able to play at a higher level just because someone else cannot? Whales do not swim in an empty ocean, just dun expect everyone to be able to be at the whale's lvl.
And I do not just defend from the better paying players' point of view, if the developers go overboard, i do come out to say so which is when developers wants to charge 15 valianite for faye's costume or pay straight cash and thus removed free to play players' option to buy faye's costume for the feel good factor about the game which even free to play players are entitled to. I can easily afford to pay for faye's costume but i decide to boycott the costume and not pay for it as i felt it was unfair and i cannot pay to make the developers feel it is ok.
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Prehaps i might be bias, but i just see it as SDD SDD and SDD from his past post or suggestions like suggested to be able to choose valiant which he obviously wanted it only for his own selfish reason to get more shizu to mlb his shizu samurai.Hi Tywin, I think you miss Mikan's point. He (most likely a he) is not complaining that his SDD team cannot clear Master Trial 2. He's very disappointed and unhappy with the lack of thought that has gone into the design of a master level trial... surely the devs can think of something better than "no skills allowed", especially when the event is about skill-dependent heroes like mystics and healers, which does screw over many team comps and 2 weeks may not be enough time to put together a team solely to clear that trial.So events should only use event hero if it makes no sense? Precisely the developers want to challenge you to think outside of event heros... Ever thought that a archer trigger squad is the way to go for no skill to be used? By now there should be already many people who cleared trial 2 and if you are only stuck in the thinking that have to use talissa then prehaps you are not up to the standard required for challenging this.
I have to agree that the introduction of master is interesting and it's really indicating that it's for each gamers with all 6 * equipment. Darkness is already very tough and now with trial 2 in this form, I was shocked.
Even with a squad of 3 talissa, I still thinking how an event hero like her mystic cannot use her skill in trial 2. If shadow or champion, maybe different, but a mystic use her mag to kill. Without her skill, it's like asking her to go for ares faith for trial 2
I also find that currently, many parts of the game don't require the use of a guardian or healer or even mystic to clear the content. Just bring enough champions, shadows and rangers and kill/CC everything while using auras and potions for HP. Mystics' total damage over the 6-7 turns before they get to use their skill is less than the other 3 DPS classes. I think only Ronan comes close to total DPS done in that same time window. Maybe they should just have different counters for PVP and PVE for some skills.
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I know right xD. What kind of dumb dev makes game to cater to the normal players right (aka the 90% playerbase)? Mobile game is only meant for people who can pay only! Since I can't afford to pay every time there's a new event so VF isn't for me then.Why don't you just go ahead and say people who pay the most? I hope you realize even whale don't swim in an empty ocean.
Just for one trial not using her and the story does not use her? In every game, the highest level of content will usually cater for the top players with more variety of resources to challenge it. Sometimes you just have to knowledge that this is not the level a player is at now.
Tywin:
sorry this is just how the game industry has evolve since diablo 2 where people pays for better items and games developers has since catched on to this kind of revenue mode.
Free players or low level paying players has a game to play but perhaps not the highest level content but they still have a game to play and it is kinda expected that the highest lvl content might not be something for all, so whales who support the game to be able to last longer term and provide enable the developers to earn some decent money to provide better content are not supposed to be able to play at a higher level just because someone else cannot? Whales do not swim in an empty ocean, just dun expect everyone to be able to be at the whale's lvl.
Sarcasm aside, whale who support the game because they like the game, not with the expectation they will be catered to like some kind of VIP. When whale get top ranks in arena, that's within expectation but when PvE content is made catering to whale only, you know the game is on life support and won't have a future (look at 7k and how many people are playing it, do they make PvE content for whale only?) I don't think there's any successful mobile game that make PvE content specifically for whale only.\
Feel free to prove me wrong.
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At least for now even for master stage, non whales can clear it.I know right xD. What kind of dumb dev makes game to cater to the normal players right (aka the 90% playerbase)? Mobile game is only meant for people who can pay only! Since I can't afford to pay every time there's a new event so VF isn't for me then.Why don't you just go ahead and say people who pay the most? I hope you realize even whale don't swim in an empty ocean.
Tywin:
sorry this is just how the game industry has evolve since diablo 2 where people pays for better items and games developers has since catched on to this kind of revenue mode.
Free players or low level paying players has a game to play but perhaps not the highest level content but they still have a game to play and it is kinda expected that the highest lvl content might not be something for all, so whales who support the game to be able to last longer term and provide enable the developers to earn some decent money to provide better content are not supposed to be able to play at a higher level just because someone else cannot? Whales do not swim in an empty ocean, just dun expect everyone to be able to be at the whale's lvl.
Sarcasm aside, whale who support the game because they like the game, not with the expectation they will be catered to like some kind of VIP. When whale get top ranks in arena, that's within expectation but when PvE content is made catering to whale only, you know the game is on life support and won't have a future (look at 7k and how many people are playing it, do they make PvE content for whale only?) I don't think there's any successful mobile game that make PvE content specifically for whale only.\
Feel free to prove me wrong.
Mikan even said his SDD team which a non whale can build could clear the previous master stage as well.
For current master grade, the core if you use aden bk, theresa witch doctor, vincent bzker, faye HD (all units non whales (just monthly emiko gems package players can get easily) plus talisa (just a solo lvl 30, not mlb) can clear it without using much pots. so PVE still has not reached a level which is only for whales (But raid does need to be looked into as there is competition within the guild which is not good and has too much emphasize on whales getting better points).
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Mikan actually cleared Master trial 1 for this event.At least for now even for master stage, non whales can clear it. Mikan even said his SDD team which a non whale can build. His SDD team could clear the previous master stage as well.
I know right xD. What kind of dumb dev makes game to cater to the normal players right (aka the 90% playerbase)? Mobile game is only meant for people who can pay only! Since I can't afford to pay every time there's a new event so VF isn't for me then.
Sarcasm aside, whale who support the game because they like the game, not with the expectation they will be catered to like some kind of VIP. When whale get top ranks in arena, that's within expectation but when PvE content is made catering to whale only, you know the game is on life support and won't have a future (look at 7k and how many people are playing it, do they make PvE content for whale only?) I don't think there's any successful mobile game that make PvE content specifically for whale only.\
Feel free to prove me wrong.
For current master grade, the core if you use aden bk, theresa witch doctor, vincent bzker, faye HD (all units non whales (just monthly emiko gems package players can get easily) plus talisa (just a solo lvl 30, not mlb) can clear it without using much pots. so PVE still has not reached a level which is only for whales (But raid does need to be looked into as there is competition within the guild which is not good)
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yes so means it has not reached the point it is only for whales right? He still has equal chance at the ladder by being able to play at the same stage (of course not withstanding those outlandish super high paying whales)Mikan actually cleared Master trial 1 for this event.At least for now even for master stage, non whales can clear it. Mikan even said his SDD team which a non whale can build. His SDD team could clear the previous master stage as well.
I know right xD. What kind of dumb dev makes game to cater to the normal players right (aka the 90% playerbase)? Mobile game is only meant for people who can pay only! Since I can't afford to pay every time there's a new event so VF isn't for me then.
Sarcasm aside, whale who support the game because they like the game, not with the expectation they will be catered to like some kind of VIP. When whale get top ranks in arena, that's within expectation but when PvE content is made catering to whale only, you know the game is on life support and won't have a future (look at 7k and how many people are playing it, do they make PvE content for whale only?) I don't think there's any successful mobile game that make PvE content specifically for whale only.\
Feel free to prove me wrong.
For current master grade, the core if you use aden bk, theresa witch doctor, vincent bzker, faye HD (all units non whales (just monthly emiko gems package players can get easily) plus talisa (just a solo lvl 30, not mlb) can clear it without using much pots. so PVE still has not reached a level which is only for whales (But raid does need to be looked into as there is competition within the guild which is not good)
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If you actually read her post, she wasn't complaining about competing in ladder.yes so means it has not reached the point it is only for whales right? He still has equal chance at the ladder by being able to play at the same stage (of course not withstanding those outlandish super high paying whales)Mikan actually cleared Master trial 1 for this event.At least for now even for master stage, non whales can clear it. Mikan even said his SDD team which a non whale can build. His SDD team could clear the previous master stage as well.
For current master grade, the core if you use aden bk, theresa witch doctor, vincent bzker, faye HD (all units non whales (just monthly emiko gems package players can get easily) plus talisa (just a solo lvl 30, not mlb) can clear it without using much pots. so PVE still has not reached a level which is only for whales (But raid does need to be looked into as there is competition within the guild which is not good)
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so it is a must to complete trial 2?If you actually read her post, she wasn't complaining about competing in ladder.yes so means it has not reached the point it is only for whales right? He still has equal chance at the ladder by being able to play at the same stage (of course not withstanding those outlandish super high paying whales)Mikan actually cleared Master trial 1 for this event.
just fyi, tower solo version lvl 30 with that megaboss luthor, i did not even managed to complete trial 1 even with my 2 miu team. Was twin tower miu's event? Yes it is rightfully Miu's very important major event. Hell I had 7 mius from summon and i cannot even complete it, i just took it that my team is not good enough and never even thought it was a must to clear it even when i paid quite alot for those mius. It was just a challenge in game that i found i could not meet and just left it as that and not complain that I must clear it cos i paid damn lot for the mius which is not even applicable here as he clearly can even clear trial 1 and mean it was not beyond him to play at this high level.
That was when all credits to Mikan, he can complete trial 3 with no miu but with his SDD team. So congrats to him which i did congrats him too when he posted on completing trial 3 with no miu.
Same here, why must only talissa be focused on if there is just a trial which is not suitable for her (It is only trial 2 btw, trial 3 allows skills to be used). Other people can clear without talissa as main point. He happened to have his SDD team at that moment in time which credit to him, he thought of a way to clear it without miu so why now it has to be only talissa?
