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Hi there, I shared the same sentiments as you for no data wipe so I had expressed my concerns to Valiant Force admin and this is their reply.

Admin: Hi there, mobile games do not usually have wipes during the soft-launch period, which are technically in now. Our beta is only for around a month, while many other mobile games stay in no-wipe beta for up to 6 months before launching worldwide.
Me: I see so is there any plans for helping the newcomers to ease the advantages against beta players?
Admin: We have revamped the EXP values, added better items for daily logins, and more. Please do not be worried, as even in PVP, you will not be matched against players too high level than you.

Btw guys there is no need to argue about this matter as a veteran mobile game player I have seen that many mobile games do not have CBT wipes. So long they did not state it during the initial start of the CBT phase, there is a high chance that no wipe will be implemented. Usually, only RPGs with non-grid movement such as Kritika kind of game will have wipe before the actual OBT.
Either way be it to wipe or no wipe I believe players that actually likes will be willing to spend and invest money on the game itself, while players that want to have an edge advantage of the game will "WHALE" heavily for all the prestige reward and brute force their way (P2W) with money.
IMO CBT players will only have a short period of advantage before the actual whalers come in today at launch and YOLO their wallet to victory. While the rest of us or non-whalers can slowly enjoy our pacing in progression rather than worrying about these issues.
The point is to have fun playing Valiant Force and not to worry about trivial stuff that will eventually be taken over by HUGE WHALES. I believe that your concerns and sentiments are good but unfortunately, the admins/dev will not change their mind even though you have posted your thoughts on this. I also believed that many had tried to contact Valiant Force admins about data wipes and gotten their answers too.

I have the same opinion with you arcarius about obt should have data wipe. And almost all my opinion is the same with you.. but thats in the past. When there is a discussion about wipe or no wipe.. when there is a poll to wipe or no wipe.. ur opinion matter at that time..

And at that time no wipe is the winner, and the moderator and developer with its FAQ already gave a hint that there Will be no data wipe. And now we already at open Beta, even released. The decision is sealed, its final. Now there is 0 chance for a wipe.
There is no use to hope for data wipe or talk about something thats in the past and Will never happen.

Maybe it is not ideal, but Its better for we all just to accept it, try having fun. If we really want to start the same with everyone else and dont want to lose a progress from cbt, the only chance it happen maybe in future when there is another server. Maybe eu us server, or play at Taiwan JP local server.

I have the same opinion with you arcarius about obt should have data wipe. And almost all my opinion is the same with you.. but thats in the past. When there is a discussion about wipe or no wipe.. when there is a poll to wipe or no wipe.. ur opinion matter at that time..  

And at that time no wipe is the winner, and the moderator and developer with its FAQ already gave a hint that there Will be no data wipe. And now we already at open Beta, even released. The decision is sealed, its final. Now there is 0 chance for a wipe.
There is no use to hope for data wipe or talk about something thats in the past and Will never happen.

Maybe it is not ideal, but Its better for we all just to accept it, try having fun. If we really want to start the same with everyone else and dont want to lose a progress from cbt, the only chance it happen maybe in future when there is another server. Maybe eu us server, or play at Taiwan JP local server.

Well~ i've no idea which wipe/no wipe discussion you're talking about because i join in later, you're probably talking about the first/second wave of players who got invited perhaps. Anyway it had been decided, stating the fact that there's a clear disadvantage to newcomers will never change be it now later. they'll have to start grinding and farm for their units and probably won't be able to participate and stay competitive for "current" event. to me it doesn't really matters since i've already voice out for the newcomers, better than not doing anything.
peace.

I think if the dev already say no
There will be more bonus flan for newcomers in the future
The valuable think they missed is all the exp and gold they gain from fighting nothing more but now they have tons of energy through guide quest at the start, the amount of new daily bonus, their mistake will get covered by us, easier story mode (beat heroic on level 24 wtf???)
And most of all, they don't have to destroy the armorsmith and then build it again
It's a pain guys ;_;

I think I've mentioned somewhere in one of my own thread which doesnt receive any reply. I pointed out something quite similar, especially regarding arena content.

The thing about mobile game developers is that this is one of the more reliable way to gain profit by using competitiveness among the players.

If you observe the top ranking reward yield 75~100 gems with 200 blood tokens, imagine the newcomers come in, you can't expect them to be anywhere near top 50% of the arena given how much time the veterans have spent on VF when they get chosen for beta soft launch. So getting ard 50% of the arena reward is equivalent to a maybe 50 gems for the newcomers.

Let says 5 weeks passed, the newcomers remain at 50% throughout meaning they got 250 gems after 5 weeks of arena reset. The veterans let says they remain at top ladder ard 80gems per reset. 5 weeks down they easily gotten 150more gems than the newcomers yielding 400gems = 11x summoning.
This gap is deemed unbreachable because the CBT will always justify themselves by saying they put in more time than the newcomers but the newcomers will rebut saying they didn't get chosen for close beta. The only advantage the newcomers will get in this scenario is high end content is seemingly difficult to progress even for seasoned veterans but for veteran CBT, if they remain at the top ladder positions in arena, the gaps in power will only get wider, similar to the Matthew effect since there will always be a difference in the gem allocation in accordance to ranking in arena placing judging the players' effort.
With that being said, I don't arena much but I understand the plights of newcomers because many a times, it's not their faults that they are always whining but because there's no system set in place to help them narrow this invisible discrimination.

Its not their faults for not getting chosen for CBT, it's not the developer fault for limiting the no. of CBT, it's not the fault of the veteran who have dedicate their efforts for the development. The fault lies in this social phenomenon, Tocqueville Effect.

And i don't want all of my hard word become dust...
Just bcuz some people don't choose to play before official release...

I like how this is worded. Literally anyone can play in the CBT if you know where to look.

Its not their faults for not getting chosen for CBT, it's not the developer fault for limiting the no. of CBT, it's not the fault of the veteran who have dedicate their efforts for the development. The fault lies in this social phenomenon, Tocqueville Effect.

Today i learnt a new thing, Tocqueville Effect 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocqueville_effect

Its not their faults for not getting chosen for CBT, it's not the developer fault for limiting the no. of CBT, it's not the fault of the veteran who have dedicate their efforts for the development. The fault lies in this social phenomenon, Tocqueville Effect.

Today i learnt a new thing, Tocqueville Effect 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocqueville_effect

Same as above ^^

I don't understand this....
I provide a one man squad on arena...
Share my experience and still learning more just to help newbies...
Don't have dragoon Vincent yet but still finding one for whoever need stunlock...
And i don't want all of my hard word become dust...
Just bcuz some people don't choose to play before official release...

And i don't want all of my hard word become dust...
Just bcuz some people don't choose to play before official release...

I like how this is worded. Literally anyone can play in the CBT if you know where to look.

I would like to draw everyone's attention to these. Closed beta keys were given out randomly to people and not everyone managed to get the key. We couldn't choose to play if we wanted to. Sugarlemon, while you like how that was worded, i'd have to disagree with your blatantly douche bag reply.


This is because CBT is NOT a public release and not everyone is supposed to, or has access to it. Perhaps Sugarlemon might have had ways to get his/her keys (by using 2093 different emails to register and getting one of them and throwing the rest of them away) or some other stunt he/she pulled, but it most definitely wasn't the intention of the developers to give access to anyone and everyone during this period.

Let me now enlighten the both of you (and some others who have posted) about what a CBT means. CBT stands for Closed. Beta. Testing. I shall now proceed to break down the terminology for you to understand. I shall highlight relevant portions to aid your reading.


Extracted from website:
"This stage of testing usually comes right after all the problems discovered in Alpha testing are fixed. As the name implies, this stage of testing is still “closed” from the public, but is much more extensive than Alpha Testing. Gamers can usually “apply” for Closed Beta testing, as developers want gamers to “try out” their game and report any newly discovered bugs to them. Sometimes hundreds sometimes thousands."
While we do not have the figures for how many keys XII Braves released, I know for sure that not everyone received a Key. I have friends who have not. At this point, whatever XII Braves did is exactly what a Closed Beta Testing is supposed to be.


and it continues:-
"Since this is a non-public beta test, most of the time characters created during closed beta will be wiped. This means all characters will be deleted when closed beta testing ends. This is not always the case, but is the norm."


This is also backed by a claim mentioned in another thread by Tackey:-
tackey:

Before the official launch, i went to one of the live event (gamestart asia). During my stay i asked quite a number of question and one of them is arena & data wipe (in newcomer point of view). 
I asked:

"I'm concern about the newcomers joining the game facing against veteran with fully developed units in arena & it could disappoint a number of newcomers as they will have almost 90% of "LOSE" rate. As a competitive player *show him my arena ranking #3*, if i were a newcomer i will feel discourage from just arena alone."  - at that moment of time i did not know they will be launching event during official launch

Dev: "Don't worry we have something planned for the newcomers & there will be arena league for the newcomers so they won't crash against the CBT players. And before official launch, there will be a reset in arena to promote fairness in arena"

So to summarize, in case it was too wordy and you couldn't be bothered to read all of it...


1) CBT was NOT open to everyone through legitimate means. If you, through some method, managed to get a ton of keys through some illegitimate way, then good for you. This was NOT the intention of a CBT.
2) It is NORMAL for CBT to be wiped because it was simply a testing ground to make mistakes. Usually CBT is accompanied by many easily obtainable items / equipments / etc because it helps to enhance the experience of players during this testing phase and it tends to be temporal anyway. Based on what I've read in this thread, there were indeed many events held during CBT that provided benefits that are no longer obtainable after the official launch; including, and not limited to, free gems.

While the devs way of interpreting CBT might not be the normal standard, in the end I'd respect their decisions having done so. However, I cannot tolerate CBT players behaving like this is something that is completely fair and it is the new player's fault for patiently waiting for the official launch. It is a highly distasteful attitude to have.

I don't understand this....
I provide a one man squad on arena...
Share my experience and still learning more just to help newbies...
Don't have dragoon Vincent yet but still finding one for whoever need stunlock...
And i don't want all of my hard word become dust...
Just bcuz some people don't choose to play before official release...

And i don't want all of my hard word become dust...
Just bcuz some people don't choose to play before official release...

I like how this is worded. Literally anyone can play in the CBT if you know where to look.

I would like to draw everyone's attention to these. Closed beta keys were given out randomly to people and not everyone managed to get the key. We couldn't choose to play if we wanted to. Sugarlemon, while you like how that was worded, i'd have to disagree with your blatantly douche bag reply.


This is because CBT is NOT a public release and not everyone is supposed to, or has access to it. Perhaps Sugarlemon might have had ways to get his/her keys (by using 2093 different emails to register and getting one of them and throwing the rest of them away) or some other stunt he/she pulled, but it most definitely wasn't the intention of the developers to give access to anyone and everyone during this period.

Let me now enlighten the both of you (and some others who have posted) about what a CBT means. CBT stands for Closed. Beta. Testing. I shall now proceed to break down the terminology for you to understand. I shall highlight relevant portions to aid your reading.


Extracted from website:
"This stage of testing usually comes right after all the problems discovered in Alpha testing are fixed. As the name implies, this stage of testing is still “closed” from the public, but is much more extensive than Alpha Testing. Gamers can usually “apply” for Closed Beta testing, as developers want gamers to “try out” their game and report any newly discovered bugs to them. Sometimes hundreds sometimes thousands."
While we do not have the figures for how many keys XII Braves released, I know for sure that not everyone received a Key. I have friends who have not. At this point, whatever XII Braves did is exactly what a Closed Beta Testing is supposed to be.


and it continues:-
"Since this is a non-public beta test, most of the time characters created during closed beta will be wiped. This means all characters will be deleted when closed beta testing ends. This is not always the case, but is the norm."


This is also backed by a claim mentioned in another thread by Tackey:-
tackey:

Before the official launch, i went to one of the live event (gamestart asia). During my stay i asked quite a number of question and one of them is arena & data wipe (in newcomer point of view). 
I asked:

"I'm concern about the newcomers joining the game facing against veteran with fully developed units in arena & it could disappoint a number of newcomers as they will have almost 90% of "LOSE" rate. As a competitive player *show him my arena ranking #3*, if i were a newcomer i will feel discourage from just arena alone."  - at that moment of time i did not know they will be launching event during official launch

Dev: "Don't worry we have something planned for the newcomers & there will be arena league for the newcomers so they won't crash against the CBT players. And before official launch, there will be a reset in arena to promote fairness in arena"

So to summarize, in case it was too wordy and you couldn't be bothered to read all of it...


1) CBT was NOT open to everyone through legitimate means. If you, through some method, managed to get a ton of keys through some illegitimate way, then good for you. This was NOT the intention of a CBT.
2) It is NORMAL for CBT to be wiped because it was simply a testing ground to make mistakes. Usually CBT is accompanied by many easily obtainable items / equipments / etc because it helps to enhance the experience of players during this testing phase and it tends to be temporal anyway. Based on what I've read in this thread, there were indeed many events held during CBT that provided benefits that are no longer obtainable after the official launch; including, and not limited to, free gems.

While the devs way of interpreting CBT might not be the normal standard, in the end I'd respect their decisions having done so. However, I cannot tolerate CBT players behaving like this is something that is completely fair and it is the new player's fault for patiently waiting for the official launch. It is a highly distasteful attitude to have.

You're right about players setting up dummy emails to get the beta keys.. And selling them is one thing. There are actually players who created over a 100 emails just to get the beta keys and sold them off as a rip off. It's not rare nor common practice. Here's one:
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=384
Just read the 1st page 2nd last comment. He has a SUB account even for CBT.