Valiant Force Forum

It's nice to see other player's point of view and their defence of the game mechanics. Let's set the topic straight here : This topic is not about F2P vs P2W. I might have gotten on the wrong footing and I apologies. This topic is about having to pay too much. F2P players may never compete with P2W players,  that is a fact but even among P2W players, the playing field is far too uneven. How much do you have to spend on the game to be the very best?

I consider myself a P2W gamer but I'm not a whale, maybe a dolphin. I've played mobile P2W games all the way back from Blood Brothers, Tower of Saviors, Brave Frontier to the more recent games like Final Fantasy Brave Exvius. I've even dabbled my toes into weeb games like Kancolle and Fate but never have I encountered a P2W game of this scale.

I've never played 7 Knights but do they have the same number of P2W mechanics as Valiant Force? Yes, Limit Break is also in 7 Knight but they also have something similar to other cash grabs like Faith and gacha equipment?

In a game like this, you would never be able to be the best in Arena unless you can afford to fork out thousand of dollars cause clearly the game is saying if you can't afford to pay, stay out of the Arena.

At the very least, there are no god-tier items which are locked and reserved for cash players, that is the first thing I asked before I pre-registered for VF.

Is there a mobile game where F2P players are just a tiny few steps behind whales?

The admin said they researched on the most popular recent games, I am guessing 7K is one of the few.

That's the thing, lv35 Valiant Units are effectively locked and reserved for whales because of how difficult it is to get 6 identical rare units. F2P players will never get a lv 35 because they would have to play for literally decades to get 6 identical rare units.   The common excuse is that "Hey, we give out free crystals, F2P can get anything a P2P player can get, just slower." Well, how much slower because if it's gonna take decades then that's not really reasonable.

I like this game, I really do and I don't mind paying for it. But what I don't want is to know that even if I spend hundreds on this game every month, I will never be on an even playing field with someone who spends thousands. The power ceiling for this game is simply far too high and too expensive to reach.

For games like MMOs,  when you reach the max level, PVP becomes a matter of skill.

For Game of Dice, I spent $900, got the best character at the time,  I'm done. I can fight evenly with everyone else.

Brave Frontier, $1600, I got a full team of Kikuri. I got top 10 in the Arena.

How much do I have to spend in Valiant Knights?

I have seen people,complaining about how P2W Hearthstone is as well, given that those who spend thousands on packs get the good cards immediately, whereas the F2P players have to spend much more time to grind and get them. I was a heavy whale in Hearthstone, FYI, and almost went to play competitive until I got super annoyed with the regular changes Blizz made to nerf cards.

Doesn't VF has the same system? 

In Hearthstone,  if you spend a measly $1000, even if you do not get the cards you want, you can break down junk cards into dust and get all the cards you want. This system does not exist in VF. Spend $1000 on VF and you might not even get 5 valiant.

VF is giving free gems and gold to aid the F2P players. Of course, everyone will complain the amount is not enough. They will only feel it is enough when they are on par with those who spend. 

At the very least, there are no god-tier items which are locked and reserved for cash players, that is the first thing I asked before I pre-registered for VF.

Is there a mobile game where F2P players are just a tiny few steps behind whales?

The admin said they researched on the most popular recent games, I am guessing 7K is one of the few.

That's the thing, lv35 Valiant Units are effectively locked and reserved for whales because of how difficult it is to get 6 identical rare units. F2P players will never get a lv 35 because they would have to play for literally decades to get 6 identical rare units.   The common excuse is that "Hey, we give out free crystals, F2P can get anything a P2P player can get, just slower." Well, how much slower because if it's gonna take decades then that's not really reasonable.

I like this game, I really do and I don't mind paying for it. But what I don't want is to know that even if I spend hundreds on this game every month, I will never be on an even playing field with someone who spends thousands. The power ceiling for this game is simply far too high and too expensive to reach.

For games like MMOs,  when you reach the max level, PVP becomes a matter of skill.

For Game of Dice, I spent $900, got the best character at the time,  I'm done. I can fight evenly with everyone else.

Brave Frontier, $1600, I got a full team of Kikuri. I got top 10 in the Arena.

How much do I have to spend in Valiant Knights?

The name of the game is Valiant Force.

And from what I know, Prestige 15 is just a few hundred dollars. And F2P will enjoy all the same content as those at Prestige 15.

In Hearthstone,  if you spend a measly $1000, even if you do not get the cards you want, you can break down junk cards into dust and get all the cards you want. This system does not exist in VF. Spend $1000 on VF and you might not even get 5 valiant.

VF is giving free gems and gold to aid the F2P players. Of course, everyone will complain the amount is not enough. They will only feel it is enough when they are on par with those who spend. 

Well, in comparison evento 7k, the gems they give are really really really few.
Anyway Heartstone have the 80% of the userbase happy about the game, and you can check in on their forums too!
Complain topics are really almost disappeared.

Anyway i'm a p2p player usually, and in my opinion the best way to get money to the company and make happy the userbase is make content for pay, and with content i means: 
Special missions, special new hero (not overpowered), special new content (raid boss / istances / put contents here)

And for that you can even put a monthly fee, to guarantee all players to be able to play everything with based amount of money (like on p2p mmorpgs)
Free to play players would be always competitive but have access to less content for free
With huge number of microtransitions, you just burn the userbase.
P2P players will get bored to pay for soo many single small things, and F2P player will need like months just to get a 5 star hero..

Hope that f2p players can clear all future/current content(events). Just because it's not locked doesn't mean you can clear it without 'paying'.

What TS pointed out is that this game have too much RNG aspect. Heroes, equipments (not just one equipment needed, but 6), faith system.

Hope that f2p players can clear all future/current content(events). Just because it's not locked doesn't mean you can clear it without 'paying'.

What TS pointed out is that this game have too much RNG aspect. Heroes, equipments (not just one equipment needed, but 6), faith system.

Admin already confirmed from previous "P2W" threads that no content or items will be locked or exclusive to prestige players.