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I was invited for CBT on the second or third day that invitation was sent. The invitation email was on Aug, 26.
I have to admit I did register like 4-5 accounts for the beta key, but the invitation came through my main email anyway >.<
I remember that after some time, maybe 1-2 weeks? people in some regions were able to download directly from playstore. But not right at the beginning.
With the sub account, people can create as many account as they like once they have downloaded the game.
If they actually put a restriction so people had to login with emails that are registered to beta, they would be able to prevent APK users. Then it would be really "closed".
Since they allowed APK it was more like, you can play if you are desperate enough.

I think it wasn't intended to be like this TBH, one of the reason is because of FB login & email login. If they change it to google login, things would have changed. Because i was invited for other mobile apps CBT testing, i send the latest apk file to my friend however they can't login via their gmail account so in the end i lend them my login detail for them to test the game. So yea i don't think it was intended and everybody make mistakes, hopefully dev learn something out of it.

I was invited for CBT on the second or third day that invitation was sent. The invitation email was on Aug, 26.
I have to admit I did register like 4-5 accounts for the beta key, but the invitation came through my main email anyway >.<
I remember that after some time, maybe 1-2 weeks? people in some regions were able to download directly from playstore. But not right at the beginning.
With the sub account, people can create as many account as they like once they have downloaded the game.
If they actually put a restriction so people had to login with emails that are registered to beta, they would be able to prevent APK users. Then it would be really "closed".
Since they allowed APK it was more like, you can play if you are desperate enough.

I think it wasn't intended to be like this TBH, one of the reason is because of FB login & email login. If they change it to google login, things would have changed. Because i was invited for other mobile apps CBT testing, i send the latest apk file to my friend however they can't login via their gmail account so in the end i lend them my login detail for them to test the game. So yea i don't think it was intended and everybody make mistakes, hopefully dev learn something out of it.

It's like what Tackey said. No matter what was done, a CBT was supposed to be something that could be obtained by getting a key through legitimate means, not through exploiting a loophole in the system. So this is problem #1.
Problem #2 is that they did not address #1 and furthermore, allowed players who exploited the loophole to continue playing into the official launch.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

I was invited for CBT on the second or third day that invitation was sent. The invitation email was on Aug, 26.
I have to admit I did register like 4-5 accounts for the beta key, but the invitation came through my main email anyway >.<
I remember that after some time, maybe 1-2 weeks? people in some regions were able to download directly from playstore. But not right at the beginning.
With the sub account, people can create as many account as they like once they have downloaded the game.
If they actually put a restriction so people had to login with emails that are registered to beta, they would be able to prevent APK users. Then it would be really "closed".
Since they allowed APK it was more like, you can play if you are desperate enough.

I think it wasn't intended to be like this TBH, one of the reason is because of FB login & email login. If they change it to google login, things would have changed. Because i was invited for other mobile apps CBT testing, i send the latest apk file to my friend however they can't login via their gmail account so in the end i lend them my login detail for them to test the game. So yea i don't think it was intended and everybody make mistakes, hopefully dev learn something out of it.

It's like what Tackey said. No matter what was done, a CBT was supposed to be something that could be obtained by getting a key through legitimate means, not through exploiting a loophole in the system. So this is problem #1.
Problem #2 is that they did not address #1 and furthermore, allowed players who exploited the loophole to continue playing into the official launch.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yup. CBT, the term "close" is similar to an invitation to tender in commercial term. It means that the company will only extent an invite to a potential contractor they deem is suitable for the job. Unlike OBT, it is free for anyone to join.

For OBT, registering of emails is to retrieve beta testing reward.
For CBT, the registering of emails is for receiving a key so you can think of it as a formal invite to try the game. This email that you used to register will allow you to click a link that direct you to a special page in app store for selected user.
If anyone did try to forward that CBT email to someone else who isn't chosen, it will still work if the link for CBT players is fixed and the same.
However, it will utterly fail if each CBT email link is specially generated for that sole email account. Meaning every email sent out by B7 contains a different link.
The .APK file itself is already a breach of agreement between the tester and the game company because I'm pretty sure no one bother to read the terms and conditions lol.

I think it wasn't intended to be like this TBH, one of the reason is because of FB login & email login. If they change it to google login, things would have changed. Because i was invited for other mobile apps CBT testing, i send the latest apk file to my friend however they can't login via their gmail account so in the end i lend them my login detail for them to test the game. So yea i don't think it was intended and everybody make mistakes, hopefully dev learn something out of it.

It's like what Tackey said. No matter what was done, a CBT was supposed to be something that could be obtained by getting a key through legitimate means, not through exploiting a loophole in the system. So this is problem #1.
Problem #2 is that they did not address #1 and furthermore, allowed players who exploited the loophole to continue playing into the official launch.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yup. CBT, the term "close" is similar to an invitation to tender in commercial term. It means that the company will only extent an invite to a potential contractor they deem is suitable for the job. Unlike OBT, it is free for anyone to join.

For OBT, registering of emails is to retrieve beta testing reward.
For CBT, the registering of emails is for receiving a key so you can think of it as a formal invite to try the game. This email that you used to register will allow you to click a link that direct you to a special page in app store for selected user.
If anyone did try to forward that CBT email to someone else who isn't chosen, it will still work if the link for CBT players is fixed and the same.
However, it will utterly fail if each CBT email link is specially generated for that sole email account. Meaning every email sent out by B7 contains a different link.
The .APK file itself is already a breach of agreement between the tester and the game company because I'm pretty sure no one bother to read the terms and conditions lol.

Hence this is why I have beef with people who are claiming that "ANYONE" can join CBT and should not complain about the differing skill between CBT and OBT players because we're effectively getting punished for waiting for OBT as we want to be legitimate.

As it stands, I'm still looking forward to someone who has a good argument for why CBT shouldn't be wiped. 

It's like what Tackey said. No matter what was done, a CBT was supposed to be something that could be obtained by getting a key through legitimate means, not through exploiting a loophole in the system. So this is problem #1.
Problem #2 is that they did not address #1 and furthermore, allowed players who exploited the loophole to continue playing into the official launch.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yup. CBT, the term "close" is similar to an invitation to tender in commercial term. It means that the company will only extent an invite to a potential contractor they deem is suitable for the job. Unlike OBT, it is free for anyone to join.

For OBT, registering of emails is to retrieve beta testing reward.
For CBT, the registering of emails is for receiving a key so you can think of it as a formal invite to try the game. This email that you used to register will allow you to click a link that direct you to a special page in app store for selected user.
If anyone did try to forward that CBT email to someone else who isn't chosen, it will still work if the link for CBT players is fixed and the same.
However, it will utterly fail if each CBT email link is specially generated for that sole email account. Meaning every email sent out by B7 contains a different link.
The .APK file itself is already a breach of agreement between the tester and the game company because I'm pretty sure no one bother to read the terms and conditions lol.

Hence this is why I have beef with people who are claiming that "ANYONE" can join CBT and should not complain about the differing skill between CBT and OBT players because we're effectively getting punished for waiting for OBT as we want to be legitimate.

As it stands, I'm still looking forward to someone who has a good argument for why CBT shouldn't be wiped. 

Look at it this way, there is a FAQ that clearly states that there will be no wipe for CB unless a serious technical problem occurs. Says, if there is a wipe when there is no problem, how much more issue would that raise? 
If you are running a business and you go back on your words, you could have lost it all.

Yup. CBT, the term "close" is similar to an invitation to tender in commercial term. It means that the company will only extent an invite to a potential contractor they deem is suitable for the job. Unlike OBT, it is free for anyone to join.

For OBT, registering of emails is to retrieve beta testing reward.
For CBT, the registering of emails is for receiving a key so you can think of it as a formal invite to try the game. This email that you used to register will allow you to click a link that direct you to a special page in app store for selected user.
If anyone did try to forward that CBT email to someone else who isn't chosen, it will still work if the link for CBT players is fixed and the same.
However, it will utterly fail if each CBT email link is specially generated for that sole email account. Meaning every email sent out by B7 contains a different link.
The .APK file itself is already a breach of agreement between the tester and the game company because I'm pretty sure no one bother to read the terms and conditions lol.

Hence this is why I have beef with people who are claiming that "ANYONE" can join CBT and should not complain about the differing skill between CBT and OBT players because we're effectively getting punished for waiting for OBT as we want to be legitimate.

As it stands, I'm still looking forward to someone who has a good argument for why CBT shouldn't be wiped. 

Look at it this way, there is a FAQ that clearly states that there will be no wipe for CB unless a serious technical problem occurs. Says, if there is a wipe when there is no problem, how much more issue would that raise? 
If you are running a business and you go back on your words, you could have lost it all.

This isn't a valid argument for why a CBT wipe shouldn't occur. Moreover in the very early days of the game being promoted, a data wipe was something that they were planning to do. It was only during the CBT that they decided, in part due to CBT players' (selfish?) feedback, to not wipe the data. 

It seems illogical that the dev team is catering to a group of people who may have flouted their terms and conditions with regards to participating in the CBT, and are doing very little to create a healthy, sustainable environment for the game. If the feedback from the OBT players are anything to go by, if they continue to not consider the existing issues that a no-wipe is causing, they'll be losing a far bigger playerbase than what they would have if they handled the CBT properly. At this point asking for a wipe is futile, but the fact that the dev team isn't addressing this issue at all and the official launch was so underwhelming are things that do not bode well for the future of this game.

680yen wrote:
This isn't a valid argument for why a CBT wipe shouldn't occur. Moreover in the very early days of the game being promoted, a data wipe was something that they were planning to do. It was only during the CBT that they decided, in part due to CBT players' (selfish?) feedback, to not wipe the data. 

It seems illogical that the dev team is catering to a group of people who may have flouted their terms and conditions with regards to participating in the CBT, and are doing very little to create a healthy, sustainable environment for the game. If the feedback from the OBT players are anything to go by, if they continue to not consider the existing issues that a no-wipe is causing, they'll be losing a far bigger playerbase than what they would have if they handled the CBT properly. At this point asking for a wipe is futile, but the fact that the dev team isn't addressing this issue at all and the official launch was so underwhelming are things that do not bode well for the future of this game.

I have no idea where you get the info from. When I started, which was about a week after close beta started, it was already in the FAQ that there will be no data wipe. So, I believed it was actually the developer original's plan.
There was this quote by the admin back then:

Like some members of the forum have already mentioned, Closed Beta for Valiant Force is somewhat similar to a soft-launch.

There are many mobile games which stay in soft-launch for around 6 months, and followed by official launch without a new server or data wipe.

Several reasons are behind all these arrangements, and they are not there to make players unhappy, but rather allow the company to balance various tasks.

While we understand not all players understand the operations mindset, we will do our best to launch Valiant Force as soon as possible. 

And trust us, players who enter during launch WILL catch-up with those who entered during Closed Beta.

Anyway, its not that they arent doing something for the new players, but they have bunch of stuff to handle after launch. Give them some times.

Hence this is why I have beef with people who are claiming that "ANYONE" can join CBT and should not complain about the differing skill between CBT and OBT players because we're effectively getting punished for waiting for OBT as we want to be legitimate.

As it stands, I'm still looking forward to someone who has a good argument for why CBT shouldn't be wiped. 

Look at it this way, there is a FAQ that clearly states that there will be no wipe for CB unless a serious technical problem occurs. Says, if there is a wipe when there is no problem, how much more issue would that raise? 
If you are running a business and you go back on your words, you could have lost it all.

This isn't a valid argument for why a CBT wipe shouldn't occur. Moreover in the very early days of the game being promoted, a data wipe was something that they were planning to do. It was only during the CBT that they decided, in part due to CBT players' (selfish?) feedback, to not wipe the data. 

It seems illogical that the dev team is catering to a group of people who may have flouted their terms and conditions with regards to participating in the CBT, and are doing very little to create a healthy, sustainable environment for the game. If the feedback from the OBT players are anything to go by, if they continue to not consider the existing issues that a no-wipe is causing, they'll be losing a far bigger playerbase than what they would have if they handled the CBT properly. At this point asking for a wipe is futile, but the fact that the dev team isn't addressing this issue at all and the official launch was so underwhelming are things that do not bode well for the future of this game.

Could you perhaps provide a link to where the discussion was held that influenced the data wipe decision? I would very much like to read it myself. I've joined at the very end of August, 2nd or 3rd batch I think? During that time the FAQ stated there would be no wipe unless a serious bug or problem occurred, I too thought it was the original plan but some of you are saying otherwise.

No data wipe is their original plan.. this can be seen from their FAQ that clearly states there is unlikely for data wipe to happen unless some major bug found. And the Valiant Force description at Google play- Valiant Force currently in Beta ( however the data Will not be wiped after the test).

And the FAQ is there even before the closed Beta started. So the decision of no wipe is not influenced by (selfish?) Motif of cbt player. But off course there is normal for some cbt player dont want to wipe.

In fact there is some cbt player like me and many other that think wipe should happen to prevent complaint like what we have like now..

What i want to say is.. some things like this event or this no wipe is discrimination against new player, and what is the 'meaning of closed beta' - that no matter what if you search in Google cbt mean you should wipe.. or the gap between cbt player and new player in arena or event is soooo huge.. this things is already mention in the past forum.. It is not the developer dont know about this thing.. but even if they know about all of it.. they still choose to wipe..

I cannot give a link for all of this opinion because it is not in 1 thread. But this is one of the link for poll..
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=94

Sure the poll is not good cause there is too few people, and this cannot represented all player based opinion especially new player. But at least this show that developer at that time give player a chance to express their opinion and suggestion about wipe or no wipe.. and there is opinion to wipe and all of it reason.. alas.. there is only a few who come to forum to poll and give opinion. ( Even though cbt is only for those who get invitation, but everyone can join in the forum - i know there is many complaint about no wipe in FB but there is only a few in the forum, seems only a few player based who active in forum even now..)

All in all i agree with all of the complaint of new player, i can understand it and sympathy empathy with you. But then again the developer must have their own reason.. their own problem.. and after all of the discussion of their part.. the final decision is still no wipe.

When i say just accept it, it is not because i dont care about new player, but because i think try to accept it and try to have fun is better.. when even complaint and lamentation dont have 'meaning anymore.. it only make people mad, sad, angry. Not constructive and not good for everyone. Off course constructive feedback is always welcome.

I just hope the best for all community of VF, the new player, the cbt player, the developer, moderator and etc.

I can only think of several reasonings as to why the data wipe is not possible is because:
1. There's too much sacrifices by the CBT
2. New players can't be address as a whole simply because they come in "waves". What I mean is after this 1st wave of new players' problems are solved, another wave of (2nd wave) new players' problems will arrive.
3. In the eyes of B7, just like how they try to accommodate new players, the current CBT is like their "clients". In comparison, new players are "users". Both have importancy but the clients who have alrdy put in effort earn more attention than those given by the users because they contributed while the users are here just because it's up.

So instead of addressing all the new players together, the term that is in the discussion should be "those that wasn't chosen for CBT" instead of grouping them together with "new players" because I believe most of the people who were left out in CBT wants to be on par with CBT players for one reason they cannot go against is: they do not have the privilege to get selected for the CBT. It is NOT within their means to get hold of invitations.

There are cases where uninvited entered the CBT server (through other means) originally intended for that specific pool which causes potential CBT players to get drop. And there's one thing we cant control is the email origin. You can have 1 person who sent multiple emails or not is something B7 can't prevent.

Then there is the commotion which will die down overtime. And once it's died down because no attention is being given, they will continue their daily operation as usual.