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I believe that most or all of us have read the new patch notes and have seen the updates in the game itself.
If you haven't read about the latest patch yet, you may do so here. 

What i felt about the patch when I first read it, P2W came straight into my mind. Not saying I don't P2P, in fact I am a P9 myself currently, and have decided to stop putting in bits of money every time a new $30+ packages appears. Not only is P2W becoming the issue, and not saying P2W is wrong, the whole game meta is slightly leaning towards something in which i will explain below.

I feel that these patch is pretty much catered to the newcomers from Taiwan, and whalers. pretty much a 'quitticide' for F2P players.
Why is that so? Let us take a look at the patch updates and upgrade that makes it towards a P2W game.

New game currency: ValianiteYay! a new currency for everyone, but nay to F2P.
Valianite is obtained via GEM summons, Can't really blame them too, even if it's a gold summon, Players can literally buy gems , exchange it into gold and then summon for Valianite too.
But why put them in Summons instead of other things like quests for example? that would definitely make it more balance for all players instead of indirectly spending cash> to summon> to get valianite.

New Valianite shop
With the new currency, comes a new shop, woohoo this is literally a heaven for valianite users. Now the shop offers pixie selector,hero selector, 5*hero ticket, 5* equipment selector as well.
Let's say you are level 1, and a whale. you probably can form a full 5* team in a day with 5* equipment and good faith using valianite shop.

New equipment Reset and Reforge functionscool i can reset my equipment and reforge them to get a new prefix now! Well we can say this is good for hastening the speed to get to the most optimal gears. But what makes it break the game here? Well with equipment reset +15 to +0, you can potentially spam your gold to get the optimal % for your weapons and gears  E.G +14% atk.
Reforge is a little different, you randomly obtain a prefix using Valianite, yea you get valianite through GEM summon. so as a gem user, I will probably summon to get Valianite, and then reforge my gear to the prefix i want. Then I do a +0 to 15, crap the % and stats sucks, Well i can use gold to restore it to +0 and try again! Wait a minute i got no more gold, lets use some gem to exchange for 2million gold and try again.

Take a look at all this options as a F2P and a P2W, A F2P can get to the stage where he has the perfect or near perfect gear and hero perhaps in a few months or a year maybe. a blue whale might perhaps just take a day or 2 to reach the same result.

Let's have a little discussion here and not an argument and flame session here, feel free to comment and discuss[/font]

Before Valianite: Dev give us something if we get nothing good from 10x roll! Also give it to F2P players who save their gems for rolls!

After Valianite: Damn this is only for spenders and whales!

Before Valianite: Dev give us something if we get nothing good from 10x roll! Also give it to F2P players who save their gems for rolls!

After Valianite: Damn this is only for spenders and whales!

Yeah, I agree, sometimes people can't seem to be happy no matter what, they complained that they don't get anything good after several x10 summons and the devs litterally allowed them to choose what 5 star potential they want and they're still not happy. The whales will out rank and out class us regardless weather this exist or not, at least with this we have a little more control over our own team. 

The fact is: No matter what you do, there will always be people complaining about it.

Yes, if people whale the valianite, they can get 5 stars easily, and whaling equipment +15 bonus they can get as high stat % as possible. But as long as the rich guys have the money to do it, what is stopping them from doing so even there is no valianate in the first place?

The valianate would definitely nice as it add a "failsafe" to the hard-earned gem. Would you rather be spending 2k gem that you saved for months and what you got were all fodders? Those new features makes the bad guy RNGesus less harsh.

One point I would like to make:
This game is heavily based on strategy. Having the best gear + mlb heroes only pretty much guarantees a win against those f2p? Not exactly.
Good gear + mlb heroes help a lot, but if the team build is crap, its not going to magically guarantee wins. There are the lucky f2p who have gotten good team builds + lb characters, and some +15 equipment... staying near the top of the arena. So I don't really feel that its a problem. Especially, whales currently only pay for the convenience of getting the resources, eg, gems, gold, energy.

One point I would like to make:
This game is heavily based on strategy. Having the best gear + mlb heroes only pretty much guarantees a win against those f2p? Not exactly.
Good gear + mlb heroes help a lot, but if the team build is crap, its not going to magically guarantee wins. There are the lucky f2p who have gotten good team builds + lb characters, and some +15 equipment... staying near the top of the arena. So I don't really feel that its a problem. Especially, whales currently only pay for the convenience of getting the resources, eg, gems, gold, energy.

Are you serious? Most 5-6* equipment are exclusive to whales through VIP bonuses and even should f2p players get certain components, getting the whole set for the bonus is nothing but a pipe dream for the majority. While I agree that this system has been tremendously helpful, you cannot deny that whales benefit so much more from it.

One point I would like to make:
This game is heavily based on strategy. Having the best gear + mlb heroes only pretty much guarantees a win against those f2p? Not exactly.
Good gear + mlb heroes help a lot, but if the team build is crap, its not going to magically guarantee wins. There are the lucky f2p who have gotten good team builds + lb characters, and some +15 equipment... staying near the top of the arena. So I don't really feel that its a problem. Especially, whales currently only pay for the convenience of getting the resources, eg, gems, gold, energy.

Are you serious? Most 5-6* equipment are exclusive to whales through VIP bonuses and even should f2p players get certain components, getting the whole set for the bonus is nothing but a pipe dream for the majority. While I agree that this system has been tremendously helpful, you cannot deny that whales benefit so much more from it.

They do benefit, but if there are no benefits, who would become whales and help the dev team to develop more content?

Take a look at all this options as a F2P and a P2W, A F2P can get to the stage where he has the perfect or near perfect gear and hero perhaps in a few months or a year maybe. a blue whale might perhaps just take a day or 2 to reach the same result.

well, the whale get what they pay for. whats the problem ? you expect people who pay to have same progress with people who F2P ?

Take a look at all this options as a F2P and a P2W, A F2P can get to the stage where he has the perfect or near perfect gear and hero perhaps in a few months or a year maybe. a blue whale might perhaps just take a day or 2 to reach the same result.

well, the whale get what they pay for. whats the problem ? you expect people who pay to have same progress with people who F2P ?

They do benefit, but if there are no benefits, who would become whales and help the dev team to develop more content?

A veteran, well-developed in-app purchase game looks to level the playing field between small-time/f2p players and small-time whales such that only the colossal whales get the edge to rise above the rest, instead of amplifying the disparity between the f2p and the whale-wannabes with the edge provided by the valianite system.

I always wonder why people complain about the p2p element in this game.

1. Is the p2p element preventing you from clearing contents?
If you are f2p player with zero fund, you can still clear the content if you invest your time and brain work.

2. Is the p2p player "pwning" you or doing some sort of things that makes you wanna quit this game?
The only place that let you fight with p2p player is arena, and what can actually the arena rewards give you? 
Valiant? To limit break a valiant by using valiant ticket from arena you need to hit 17% chance on the same hero for at least 6 times, for at least 24 weeks.
Arena hero? Their counterpart like vincent zerk, cybella can do the job in contents clearing or events rushing just fine.
5 star equipments? Using event equipment are far better than collecting 5star equipment for ages, plus you can some of the 5star equipments through crafting, event bazaar, etc.
Runes tickets? Are you kidding me?
Chests? Are you so poor that you can't even get 50 blood gems a day?

3. Can you reach the 1st place in arena or event ladder if your heroes are magically maxed limit break and magically equipped with "perfect" 6star+15 equipment from VIP bonus?
I doubt that. Even if you are the strongest player in VF, you will still never be able to reach the rank within top10 as p2p player will just buy the arena orb or energy anyway to accumulate more arena/ladder point.

Please do enlight me that what is really your problem with the p2p elements. Cheers.