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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:28 pm

When it comes to Arena it doesn't matter whether you are a CBT player or a new player. You will never get to the top tier ranking as long as you are not willing to spend money. 

FACT 1 - Everyone need to set a realistic target for themselves especially if you are a pure f2p player. Some people feel happy to be within the top 1000, some will aim for top 500 and some will strive for top 50 etc. 

FACT 2 - Since Arena reset, even if you play 24 Arena orbs per day with 100% win rate you won't even be 1st. Guaranteed money to be spent there.

FACT 3 - If you stay in the same game long enough (more than 3 years) you will realise starting 2-3 months late means nothing. So stop hoping games so often. 
You drunk m8? i disagree in F2P getting top 1 is impossible, just need a decent gear and heros can own arena, i'm a f2p player yet arena for me, i can win even my oppo got 5* equip with +12? 
it just that arena is kinda broke with the sudden change in meta guardian in front can win .
Read what i type again mate. I did not say you can't win in Arena as a f2p the thing about Arena is that you need to gem constantly to get more Arena orbs to get to the top. If you do some simple calculation on the current no.1 Arena points you will understand. 
Also you have further proven my point there's not distinct gap between CBT and new players to the OP.
But the point is that im a f2p player yet winning and getting high rank w/o spending on arena orbs it just that you need good starts or good lineup, plus waiting for a hour to an arena orb is win for busy players
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:14 pm

You drunk m8? i disagree in F2P getting top 1 is impossible, just need a decent gear and heros can own arena, i'm a f2p player yet arena for me, i can win even my oppo got 5* equip with +12? 
it just that arena is kinda broke with the sudden change in meta guardian in front can win .
Read what i type again mate. I did not say you can't win in Arena as a f2p the thing about Arena is that you need to gem constantly to get more Arena orbs to get to the top. If you do some simple calculation on the current no.1 Arena points you will understand. 
Also you have further proven my point there's not distinct gap between CBT and new players to the OP.
But the point is that im a f2p player yet winning and getting high rank w/o spending on arena orbs it just that you need good starts or good lineup, plus waiting for a hour to an arena orb is win for busy players
What he is trying to say is that with the current arena system, being at the top is all about spending gems to refill arena orb. With everyone in the top 10 having above 90-95% winrate, the one willing to spend more is the one that will take the first, second, third and so on.
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:54 pm

Yes. I played enough arena in other game and even with many wins I can't reach the top because the arena system in most games is dependent on 2 factors:
1. Win rate
2. No. Of matches

Think of it as watching soccer :)
Liverpool plays 7 matches, won 3 draw 2 lose 2.
Chelsea plays 6 matches, won 3 draw 1 lose 2.

In the table Liverpool will rank higher than Chelsea not because they won more but because they played more matches. There's a point system that will benefit players who play more arena.

P.S Above is for explaination purpose and by no mean defaming Chelsea or anything.
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:03 pm

When it comes to Arena it doesn't matter whether you are a CBT player or a new player. You will never get to the top tier ranking as long as you are not willing to spend money. 

FACT 1 - Everyone need to set a realistic target for themselves especially if you are a pure f2p player. Some people feel happy to be within the top 1000, some will aim for top 500 and some will strive for top 50 etc. 

FACT 2 - Since Arena reset, even if you play 24 Arena orbs per day with 100% win rate you won't even be 1st. Guaranteed money to be spent there.

FACT 3 - If you stay in the same game long enough (more than 3 years) you will realise starting 2-3 months late means nothing. So stop hoping games so often. 
You drunk m8? i disagree in F2P getting top 1 is impossible, just need a decent gear and heros can own arena, i'm a f2p player yet arena for me, i can win even my oppo got 5* equip with +12? 
it just that arena is kinda broke with the sudden change in meta guardian in front can win .
Read what i type again mate. I did not say you can't win in Arena as a f2p the thing about Arena is that you need to gem constantly to get more Arena orbs to get to the top. If you do some simple calculation on the current no.1 Arena points you will understand. 
Also you have further proven my point there's not distinct gap between CBT and new players to the OP.
Playing the devil's advocate here. I want to point out that last portion about you talking about there being no distinct gap between the CBT and new players. You should have rephrased it like this to be more accurate: "In a few months' time, there will be no distinct gap between CBT and new players"
But currently? There is. 


On top of this, I would like to ask the veterans here a question - how often have you guys experienced admins replying to posts here? In particular, posts like these?
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:17 pm

You drunk m8? i disagree in F2P getting top 1 is impossible, just need a decent gear and heros can own arena, i'm a f2p player yet arena for me, i can win even my oppo got 5* equip with +12? 
it just that arena is kinda broke with the sudden change in meta guardian in front can win .
Read what i type again mate. I did not say you can't win in Arena as a f2p the thing about Arena is that you need to gem constantly to get more Arena orbs to get to the top. If you do some simple calculation on the current no.1 Arena points you will understand. 
Also you have further proven my point there's not distinct gap between CBT and new players to the OP.
Playing the devil's advocate here. I want to point out that last portion about you talking about there being no distinct gap between the CBT and new players. You should have rephrased it like this to be more accurate: "In a few months' time, there will be no distinct gap between CBT and new players"
But currently? There is. 


On top of this, I would like to ask the veterans here a question - how often have you guys experienced admins replying to posts here? In particular, posts like these?
Im not really sure but admins normally pick relevant posts that requires special or immediate attention. As of now i would say that this isn't in their "to-do" list.

The global release is only up for a while and running so they are really busy at their end.
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:31 pm

You drunk m8? i disagree in F2P getting top 1 is impossible, just need a decent gear and heros can own arena, i'm a f2p player yet arena for me, i can win even my oppo got 5* equip with +12? 
it just that arena is kinda broke with the sudden change in meta guardian in front can win .
Read what i type again mate. I did not say you can't win in Arena as a f2p the thing about Arena is that you need to gem constantly to get more Arena orbs to get to the top. If you do some simple calculation on the current no.1 Arena points you will understand. 
Also you have further proven my point there's not distinct gap between CBT and new players to the OP.
Playing the devil's advocate here. I want to point out that last portion about you talking about there being no distinct gap between the CBT and new players. You should have rephrased it like this to be more accurate: "In a few months' time, there will be no distinct gap between CBT and new players"
But currently? There is. 


On top of this, I would like to ask the veterans here a question - how often have you guys experienced admins replying to posts here? In particular, posts like these?
Cmon~ what do you expect. of course there will be a gap now between CBT players and new players. the amount of time spent in the game is simply different. you agreed that after a few months down the road the gap will be minimal as well so why not wait/play it out? if there are players who want to close the gap desperately just drop 2k SGD EZ. use money to buy back loss time that's all i can suggest. is it worth it? not for me that's for sure.
P.S I'm only a OBT player myself. 
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:37 pm

Read what i type again mate. I did not say you can't win in Arena as a f2p the thing about Arena is that you need to gem constantly to get more Arena orbs to get to the top. If you do some simple calculation on the current no.1 Arena points you will understand. 
Also you have further proven my point there's not distinct gap between CBT and new players to the OP.
Playing the devil's advocate here. I want to point out that last portion about you talking about there being no distinct gap between the CBT and new players. You should have rephrased it like this to be more accurate: "In a few months' time, there will be no distinct gap between CBT and new players"
But currently? There is. 


On top of this, I would like to ask the veterans here a question - how often have you guys experienced admins replying to posts here? In particular, posts like these?
Cmon~ what do you expect. of course there will be a gap now between CBT players and new players. the amount of time spent in the game is simply different. you agreed that after a few months down the road the gap will be minimal as well so why not wait/play it out? if there are players who want to close the gap desperately just drop 2k SGD EZ. use money to buy back loss time that's all i can suggest. is it worth it? not for me that's for sure.
P.S I'm only a OBT player myself. 
I've explained why the gap between CBT players and new players is unhealthy for the growth of the game in a post I made, so I shan't repeat it here. Personally, I do agree that I have my choices to either wait it out or stop playing the game, as I can see that your choice is definitely to wait it out and eventually get decent. I'm still on the fence about it to be honest.
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:42 pm

Playing the devil's advocate here. I want to point out that last portion about you talking about there being no distinct gap between the CBT and new players. You should have rephrased it like this to be more accurate: "In a few months' time, there will be no distinct gap between CBT and new players"
But currently? There is. 


On top of this, I would like to ask the veterans here a question - how often have you guys experienced admins replying to posts here? In particular, posts like these?
Cmon~ what do you expect. of course there will be a gap now between CBT players and new players. the amount of time spent in the game is simply different. you agreed that after a few months down the road the gap will be minimal as well so why not wait/play it out? if there are players who want to close the gap desperately just drop 2k SGD EZ. use money to buy back loss time that's all i can suggest. is it worth it? not for me that's for sure.
P.S I'm only a OBT player myself. 
I've explained why the gap between CBT players and new players is unhealthy for the growth of the game in a post I made, so I shan't repeat it here. Personally, I do agree that I have my choices to either wait it out or stop playing the game, as I can see that your choice is definitely to wait it out and eventually get decent. I'm still on the fence about it to be honest.
Yup i just finished reading the thread you made. hope to see you around for a long time mate.
 
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Re: The Invisible Discrimination

Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:44 pm

Cmon~ what do you expect. of course there will be a gap now between CBT players and new players. the amount of time spent in the game is simply different. you agreed that after a few months down the road the gap will be minimal as well so why not wait/play it out? if there are players who want to close the gap desperately just drop 2k SGD EZ. use money to buy back loss time that's all i can suggest. is it worth it? not for me that's for sure.
P.S I'm only a OBT player myself. 
I've explained why the gap between CBT players and new players is unhealthy for the growth of the game in a post I made, so I shan't repeat it here. Personally, I do agree that I have my choices to either wait it out or stop playing the game, as I can see that your choice is definitely to wait it out and eventually get decent. I'm still on the fence about it to be honest.
Yup i just finished reading the thread you made. hope to see you around for a long time mate.
Hey I hope to find a nice community of people in this locally produced game as well, but the dev's lack of replies to forum threads (though they insist that this is one of the best places to feedback things to them) along with a crippling launch event is not the most encouraging. I'll be active in the forums until I leave the game anyway :) Hopefully in a week or so, i'd be knowledgeable enough to take part in threads in the other areas.