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Hi guys! MiloD here to talk about the balance changes!

Sven Berserker
I know that many players will feel extremely miffed with this change. Sven Zerk was the only hero to have 2CD, along with a 3CD pet sacrifice. This was great as he was a counter to tanks. However, he walloped everything in his path, with the range of a ranger and the damage of a champion. The initial thought is to directly balance his buffed damage and trigger chance along with the cooldown. Then we found another way. We kept his explosiveness, but reduced his total output. It was ludicrous having Sven trigger nonstop in a turn, turning him into a wildcard for arena. Thus, this addition of a reduction in HP was to ensure consistency. Basically, the dragon will no longer be able to go on nonstop. But he will still be able to dish out heavy heavy damage when used properly to take down enemies in the arena.

We hope that this helps in your understanding of how we balanced the Heroes. Let's all adapt together to these changes!

Secondly, feel free to pop me questions regarding other heroes!

Hi MiloD, just wonder what you guys think about ranger trigger team? I get a feeling with all these change ranger trigger team will thrive again. no team will be fast enough to try break their formation. maybe only a well equip turtle team can fight against these team now. 

My initial opinion on Sven's change is that it is a bigger nerf for him in PVE than in PVP.

75% chance to reduce 20% HP is really nothing in PVP - if it gets unlucky, it will still be able to trigger 5 hits before it dies, which is still a lot of damage.
The pet usually doesn't survive till the next time it can be used again anyway (killed by Talissa's poison or other things) 
3 turns CD in PVP is nothing much changed for him.

However, in PVE, this change is going to hurt Sven A LOT... he may no longer be able to sustain trigger because the pet is dead.
3 turns in PVE is a lot of damage lost if the pet dies prematurely.

Is this the intended change for the devs? 
As i read MiloD's reasoning for the change, it seems to be more intended for nerfing PVP, but in reality, i think it hurts Sven more in PVE than in PVP with the change.

Hi there! Sven's nerf was to prevent the non stop damage output in PvP! For PvE, there are ways around it aint it? :3

Wow, what a response. I take it this approach the devs have taken was to intentionally stomp Sven Berserkers into the ground and make him unusable in all situations then?

My initial opinion on Sven's change is that it is a bigger nerf for him in PVE than in PVP.

75% chance to reduce 20% HP is really nothing in PVP - if it gets unlucky, it will still be able to trigger 5 hits before it dies, which is still a lot of damage.
The pet usually doesn't survive till the next time it can be used again anyway (killed by Talissa's poison or other things) 
3 turns CD in PVP is nothing much changed for him.

However, in PVE, this change is going to hurt Sven A LOT... he may no longer be able to sustain trigger because the pet is dead.
3 turns in PVE is a lot of damage lost if the pet dies prematurely.

Is this the intended change for the devs? 
As i read MiloD's reasoning for the change, it seems to be more intended for nerfing PVP, but in reality, i think it hurts Sven more in PVE than in PVP with the change.

Hi there! Sven's nerf was to prevent the non stop damage output in PvP! For PvE, there are ways around it aint it? :3

My initial opinion on Sven's change is that it is a bigger nerf for him in PVE than in PVP.

75% chance to reduce 20% HP is really nothing in PVP - if it gets unlucky, it will still be able to trigger 5 hits before it dies, which is still a lot of damage.
The pet usually doesn't survive till the next time it can be used again anyway (killed by Talissa's poison or other things) 
3 turns CD in PVP is nothing much changed for him.

However, in PVE, this change is going to hurt Sven A LOT... he may no longer be able to sustain trigger because the pet is dead.
3 turns in PVE is a lot of damage lost if the pet dies prematurely.

Is this the intended change for the devs? 
As i read MiloD's reasoning for the change, it seems to be more intended for nerfing PVP, but in reality, i think it hurts Sven more in PVE than in PVP with the change.

Hi there! Sven's nerf was to prevent the non stop damage output in PvP! For PvE, there are ways around it aint it? :3

Wow, what a response. I take it this approach the devs have taken was to intentionally stomp Sven Berserkers into the ground and make him unusable in all situations then?

Hi there! Sven's nerf was to prevent the non stop damage output in PvP! For PvE, there are ways around it aint it? :3

Wow, what a response. I take it this approach the devs have taken was to intentionally stomp Sven Berserkers into the ground and make him unusable in all situations then?

I get that it seems like Sven Zerk is totally unviable. But perhaps you need to look harder to see how you can still maximize his strength. We didn't stomp him into the ground! I promise!

Hi there! Sven's nerf was to prevent the non stop damage output in PvP! For PvE, there are ways around it aint it? :3

Wow, what a response. I take it this approach the devs have taken was to intentionally stomp Sven Berserkers into the ground and make him unusable in all situations then?

I have to site Milo this time, cause u can always put him beside lifeleech aura and cast hp shield before the damn pet atk
this is too make we player think of the formation before taking sven into every battle without thinking. 
but i do feel like the pet got nerf too much...  

Am I the only one agreeing with Sven's balancing? I'm a heavy Sven user too but with these changes, the roles of other heroes, specially other champions, became relevant again. Thus, introducing variety in squads again. I agree that Sven might not be that explosive in the pve now but is still a great damage dealer nonetheless. He is still amazing in pvp with 3CD. I dont mind the HP reduction of the dragon. It's always targeted anyways.

I just feel that Zedd is still left out.

Wow, what a response. I take it this approach the devs have taken was to intentionally stomp Sven Berserkers into the ground and make him unusable in all situations then?

I have to site Milo this time, cause u can always put him beside lifeleech aura and cast hp shield before the damn pet atk
this is too make we player think of the formation before taking sven into every battle without thinking. 
but i do feel like the pet got nerf too much...  

hey bro, same page for once :p

Am I the only one agreeing with Sven's balancing? I'm a heavy Sven user too but with these changes, the roles of other heroes, specially other champions, became relevant again. Thus, introducing variety in squads again. I agree that Sven might not be that explosive in the pve now but is still a great damage dealer nonetheless. He is still amazing in pvp with 3CD. I dont mind the HP reduction of the dragon. It's always targeted anyways.

I just feel that Zedd is still left out.

+1 for this, warlock zedd is still useless? no change in his skills?