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Is Lucile spirit walker better or worst?

She has great skill for -delay but can't heal?
Why you remove regen skill?

Because healer without healing capabilities is the new trend. See Theia Archbishop xD But seriously, i dont get it why they removed the healing. They could have replaced the teleport with the new decrease cool down but retain the regen!
On archbishop, would decreasing the cool down to 3 turns be OP? If you want to bring back the glory of single heal then I dont see having a 4 turn skill cool down. A 3 skill-cooldown of AB Lucille would really give Inquisitor Lucille a nice match-up. Persistent Heal + 3 Turn Skill by AB Vs. Aura Stat Boost + 7 Turn SKill by Inqui. You choose, rapid healing or assured immunity by the 7th round! 

Because healer without healing capabilities is the new trend. See Theia Archbishop xD But seriously, i dont get it why they removed the healing. They could have replaced the teleport with the new decrease cool down but retain the regen!
On archbishop, would decreasing the cool down to 3 turns be OP? If you want to bring back the glory of single heal then I dont see having a 4 turn skill cool down. A 3 skill-cooldown of AB Lucille would really give Inquisitor Lucille a nice match-up. Persistent Heal + 3 Turn Skill by AB Vs. Aura Stat Boost + 7 Turn SKill by Inqui. You choose, rapid healing or assured immunity by the 7th round! 

(LOL)
When you mention Theia, oh yeah her 5* isn't heal 
She give barrier + revive, but not heal... IMO she is worst healer in term of skill (LOL), but in term of aura I really like it though

As for AB Lucille you suggest 3 turn CD instend of 4 CD, it huge different IMO but I like it
I mean in arena
If Lucille 4 CD when you need to move first
In first round it would made you have to choose between Lucille and Talissa (if you use her)
If Lucille 3 CD then even you move first you can use both Lucille and Talissa skill in first round

I'm curious with Spirit Walker Lucille, not healing is totally fine with me.

The question is:
What is Amplify? a Debuff on enemy?

The new thing here,
I can accept Haste as a form of skill cd boost in PvE content, where we can rush more 4cd skill or let 7cd skill used earlier to counter some boss skill.

By MiloD:


Anyway, Amplify will increase the damage dealt to the target enemy. Shizu Assassin is seen as a PvE hero

"1000 damage originally will receive 1250 damage now.
2000 will receive 2500.. etc"

@MiloD a little question about amplify.

Which is computed first? Damage reduction by DEF or amplify?

Let's say a hero with 1,000 ATK attacks an enemy with 400 DEF and lucilles buffs a 40% amplify.

Normally, damage would be 600, right?

Is amplify computed at the 600 damage (600 x .40) = 240, totaal damage 840

Or before def calculations? 1,000 damage (1000 x .40) = 400. 1400 damage, then def reduction = total damage 1000

HALT!

I left out the change in SW's aura when I shifted the message over oops! Please check! There's still a healing factor!

HALT!

I left out the change in SW's aura when I shifted the message over oops! Please check! There's still a healing factor!

@MiloD a little question about amplify.

Which is computed first? Damage reduction by DEF or amplify?

Let's say a hero with 1,000 ATK attacks an enemy with 400 DEF and lucilles buffs a 40% amplify.

Normally, damage would be 600, right?

Is amplify computed at the 600 damage (600 x .40) = 240, totaal damage 840

Or before def calculations? 1,000 damage (1000 x .40) = 400. 1400 damage, then def reduction = total damage 1000

HALT!

I left out the change in SW's aura when I shifted the message over oops! Please check! There's still a healing factor!

@MiloD a little question about amplify.

Which is computed first? Damage reduction by DEF or amplify?

Let's say a hero with 1,000 ATK attacks an enemy with 400 DEF and lucilles buffs a 40% amplify.

Normally, damage would be 600, right?

Is amplify computed at the 600 damage (600 x .40) = 240, total damage 840

Or before def calculations? 1,000 damage (1000 x .40) = 400. 1400 damage, then def reduction = total damage 1000

Hi there!!
To teach everyone about Amplify before it's release...
Amplified damage will be calculated AFTER def calculations. 
E.g. 
Hero: 1000 ATK
Enemy: 200 DEF
Damage dealt before amplify: 800
Damage dealt after amplify: 25%: 800 *125% = 1000 dmg
Thereafter, if the enemy has any mitigation shield (Victoria) etc. this mitigation will take place based on the new amplified damage.

HALT!

I left out the change in SW's aura when I shifted the message over oops! Please check! There's still a healing factor!

@MiloD a little question about amplify.

Which is computed first? Damage reduction by DEF or amplify?

Let's say a hero with 1,000 ATK attacks an enemy with 400 DEF and lucilles buffs a 40% amplify.

Normally, damage would be 600, right?

Is amplify computed at the 600 damage (600 x .40) = 240, total damage 840

Or before def calculations? 1,000 damage (1000 x .40) = 400. 1400 damage, then def reduction = total damage 1000

Hi there!!
To teach everyone about Amplify before it's release...
Amplified damage will be calculated AFTER def calculations. 
E.g. 
Hero: 1000 ATK
Enemy: 200 DEF
Damage dealt before amplify: 800
Damage dealt after amplify: 25%: 800 *125% = 1000 dmg
Thereafter, if the enemy has any mitigation shield (Victoria) etc. this mitigation will take place based on the new amplified damage.

If I apply assassin amplify damage by 25% on Victoria Paladin(35% damage reduction): (1000 ATK-200 DEF) + (800*(125% Amplify-135% Reduction))=720 ? 

HALT!

I left out the change in SW's aura when I shifted the message over oops! Please check! There's still a healing factor!

@MiloD a little question about amplify.

Which is computed first? Damage reduction by DEF or amplify?

Let's say a hero with 1,000 ATK attacks an enemy with 400 DEF and lucilles buffs a 40% amplify.

Normally, damage would be 600, right?

Is amplify computed at the 600 damage (600 x .40) = 240, total damage 840

Or before def calculations? 1,000 damage (1000 x .40) = 400. 1400 damage, then def reduction = total damage 1000

Hi there!!
To teach everyone about Amplify before it's release...
Amplified damage will be calculated AFTER def calculations. 
E.g. 
Hero: 1000 ATK
Enemy: 200 DEF
Damage dealt before amplify: 800
Damage dealt after amplify: 25%: 800 *125% = 1000 dmg
Thereafter, if the enemy has any mitigation shield (Victoria) etc. this mitigation will take place based on the new amplified damage.

Nice, thank you for this, everything is quite clear to me now 

@MiloD a little question about amplify.

Which is computed first? Damage reduction by DEF or amplify?

Let's say a hero with 1,000 ATK attacks an enemy with 400 DEF and lucilles buffs a 40% amplify.

Normally, damage would be 600, right?

Is amplify computed at the 600 damage (600 x .40) = 240, total damage 840

Or before def calculations? 1,000 damage (1000 x .40) = 400. 1400 damage, then def reduction = total damage 1000

Hi there!!
To teach everyone about Amplify before it's release...
Amplified damage will be calculated AFTER def calculations. 
E.g. 
Hero: 1000 ATK
Enemy: 200 DEF
Damage dealt before amplify: 800
Damage dealt after amplify: 25%: 800 *125% = 1000 dmg
Thereafter, if the enemy has any mitigation shield (Victoria) etc. this mitigation will take place based on the new amplified damage.

If I apply assassin amplify damage by 25% on Victoria Paladin(35% damage reduction): (1000 ATK-200 DEF) + (800*(125% Amplify-135% Reduction))=720 ? 

Hi Genez,
It will be [800 + (800*25%)] - (35%*[800 + (800*25%)]) which is 1000 - 650 where (35% * 1000)