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Even with a full team of 5 stars limit break heroes you will not get 100% the chest rewards of the leggendary difficulties.
This is called crap life on ow chest.

If one difficulty is not used or farmed by endgame team players devs just crap out.
There is no way to defent this.

I did it with just one limit break hero and 1 Seraph and another Seraph from a friend. It's not impossible, it's hard but not impossible

I can show you that is Impossible to farm leggendary stage and have a 100% drop from the chest.

I have a full limit break team of valiants + seraphina limit break.
And i NEVER have the 100% possibility of droprate from the chest, it's just impossible.

There needs to be a proper benchmark in place here. Any event should be reasonably completable by a person who has been hardcore playing since day 1, regardless of spend or not. Here we have stories of people spending reasonable amounts of money on gems and still struggling with the legendary event trials, and are likely not to get 100% completion. This current event hurdle seems to be set just to keep the beta gamers fresh and happy and willing to spend money while giving the obvious middle finger to the F2P.

This is a 3 week old game, events at this point should NOT bring beta gamers into the calculation, they will by default ace all events just because, and can only be challenged by non-beta big spenders (whales) who incidentally are the target for this game. Denying event enjoyment and content to your f2p crowd just because they arent paying you is the fastest way to the recycle bin of old has-been games.

I don't feel punished. I understand that it does not mean paying customers are the strongest and must be able to clear all events and achievements. I pay because I needed more heroes back then and didn't have time to grind for them.
I don't see a need for me to hit 100% achievement for ALL events. I am just so chill. But I do agree the drop rate for Unrefined Gems is low. That is my only concern.

Kahuna... Let's just say I am not really into completing the Pokedex at the moment. Just got to wait until the event heroes return again.

Again we're returning to what you feel. 

The current difficulty, regardless of what anyone feels, is simply tasking for new players. That's a fact. A 21 Trial Clear quest where old players might have an issue is a big deal for a new player. That already means that it's a big deal for them when they reach that point. 

The requirement for the 100% Quest is too grave. They should restrict new players from getting other things, but not the completion of quests. Don't let them have more Kahunas, don't let them have the gems etc. But do not restrict them from getting a Kahuna in the first place.

This is not what everybody is supposed to feel. It is what everybody should have access to. I'm not posting here to make things easier for myself. I'll be getting my Kahuna, I don't mind. But new players should not be neglected. New players = more income = longevity. That's all.

Have you seen how much gems and bonus stuff new players get these days from daily and quest guides? Plus they can still do the normal mode of the event. You mean those are not enough to help new players?

In my opinion the bonus are nice, still not Great, but nice..
The problem here are not the bonus..

The longevity of a gatcha game is based on 90% on his events + new heroes.
If new players are not able to partecipate on events actively they will become bored of the game faster than they will become old gamers, or even before reach a usefull team..

After my 15k gems pulls i can easly say that this game has one of the worst gatcha pulls i ever seen..
Build a great team here is really hard and require a LOT of money.. I can't even imagine the life of a F2P user..

Again we're returning to what you feel. 

The current difficulty, regardless of what anyone feels, is simply tasking for new players. That's a fact. A 21 Trial Clear quest where old players might have an issue is a big deal for a new player. That already means that it's a big deal for them when they reach that point. 

The requirement for the 100% Quest is too grave. They should restrict new players from getting other things, but not the completion of quests. Don't let them have more Kahunas, don't let them have the gems etc. But do not restrict them from getting a Kahuna in the first place.

This is not what everybody is supposed to feel. It is what everybody should have access to. I'm not posting here to make things easier for myself. I'll be getting my Kahuna, I don't mind. But new players should not be neglected. New players = more income = longevity. That's all.

Have you seen how much gems and bonus stuff new players get these days from daily and quest guides? Plus they can still do the normal mode of the event. You mean those are not enough to help new players?

In my opinion the bonus are nice, still not Great, but nice..
The problem here are not the bonus..

The longevity of a gatcha game is based on 90% on his events + new heroes.
If new players are not able to partecipate on events actively they will become bored of the game faster than they will become old gamers, or even before reach a usefull team..

After my 15k gems pulls i can easly say that this game has one of the worst gatcha pulls i ever seen..
Build a great team here is really hard and require a LOT of money.. I can't even imagine the life of a F2P user..

How do you define "great"? Like, unstoppable? I have a friend who is top 30 in PVP, never spent a single dime in the game. I could show you his squad screenshot later if you want. I never managed to defeat him in practice mode.

I did it with just one limit break hero and 1 Seraph and another Seraph from a friend. It's not impossible, it's hard but not impossible

I can show you that is Impossible to farm leggendary stage and have a 100% drop from the chest.

I have a full limit break team of valiants + seraphina limit break.
And i NEVER have the 100% possibility of droprate from the chest, it's just impossible.

Dont know what you are trying to prove, or who you are trying to make feel better. I know for one I feel like shit seeing seraphina with all purple eq and +15 murdering the event, which i probably wont hit for another 2 months or so...

I don't feel punished. I understand that it does not mean paying customers are the strongest and must be able to clear all events and achievements. I pay because I needed more heroes back then and didn't have time to grind for them.
I don't see a need for me to hit 100% achievement for ALL events. I am just so chill. But I do agree the drop rate for Unrefined Gems is low. That is my only concern.

Kahuna... Let's just say I am not really into completing the Pokedex at the moment. Just got to wait until the event heroes return again.

Again we're returning to what you feel. 

The current difficulty, regardless of what anyone feels, is simply tasking for new players. That's a fact. A 21 Trial Clear quest where old players might have an issue is a big deal for a new player. That already means that it's a big deal for them when they reach that point. 

The requirement for the 100% Quest is too grave. They should restrict new players from getting other things, but not the completion of quests. Don't let them have more Kahunas, don't let them have the gems etc. But do not restrict them from getting a Kahuna in the first place.

This is not what everybody is supposed to feel. It is what everybody should have access to. I'm not posting here to make things easier for myself. I'll be getting my Kahuna, I don't mind. But new players should not be neglected. New players = more income = longevity. That's all.

Have you seen how much gems and bonus stuff new players get these days from daily and quest guides? Plus they can still do the normal mode of the event. You mean those are not enough to help new players?

Again, this mindset is relegating new players to be satisfied with getting rewards, that is not what the Event is about. Everybody is already grateful etc.This is not about helping any player to start etc. my gripe here is they are barring the Event's focus, which is Kahuna, from being accessible for new players. 

The Event is about Kahuna no matter how much people do or don't care about him. This Event is not connected to the Guide Quests etc. those are in no way should be connected. This event should be accessible to all unless advertised otherwise.

This is not how much people can get, but how many people can get it. This is not about the amount of rewards, this is about having a fair chance, no matter how hard it may be for new players to be able to finish the event.

There is a sad truth in every community. This existence of truth is that there will always be a bunch of "privileged" beings who already has this hard stumped mindset that new players and beginners are a bunch of whiners.

I have players who tell me verbally that they should always be at the top of the arena to get all the blood tokens and gem because they are the pioneers, because they spend time, effort and money (or not) to be there before the launch.

Seriously? Are we not giving the newbies too much to focus and divert what little resources they have? Are we so inhumanely unaccomodating to the point that we have people who says "I don't see a reason why new players are whining" because of one simplest fact is they can't and are unable to put themselves in the new players' perspective.

This, I present to you, is the finest and ugliest side of human.

However, no matter how pain the fact is I always tell myself that it's a game. If I can commit I will. If something turns up well it's great. If not so be it. Life is the same. We take it straight to the face and come back again.
The only moment you fail is when you can't get back up. But the moment you can relieve your thoughts on how things should work and sort it out, you will understand where I can come from, after all a game as how I see it, is something for me to enjoy. I don't care about the arena. If there's a an event I would be happy to join. Getting the prize to me is my reward and effort, if I'm not good enough, so be it, I gave my all.

I can show you that is Impossible to farm leggendary stage and have a 100% drop from the chest.

I have a full limit break team of valiants + seraphina limit break.
And i NEVER have the 100% possibility of droprate from the chest, it's just impossible.

Dont know what you are trying to prove, or who you are trying to make feel better. I know for one I feel like shit seeing seraphina with all purple eq and +15 murdering the event, which i probably wont hit for another 2 months or so...

Someone complained about even having a decked-out Seraphina with limit-break etc is impossible to get 100%. Just showing him that.

I can't achieve that as well. I don't feel like shit. My team is pretty rad for what I am able to spend money and time on. No point comparing with those with deep pockets.

Why are you comparing yourself with the high spenders? You expect to be at their level without hard, manual grinding ?

Have you seen how much gems and bonus stuff new players get these days from daily and quest guides? Plus they can still do the normal mode of the event. You mean those are not enough to help new players?

In my opinion the bonus are nice, still not Great, but nice..
The problem here are not the bonus..

The longevity of a gatcha game is based on 90% on his events + new heroes.
If new players are not able to partecipate on events actively they will become bored of the game faster than they will become old gamers, or even before reach a usefull team..

After my 15k gems pulls i can easly say that this game has one of the worst gatcha pulls i ever seen..
Build a great team here is really hard and require a LOT of money.. I can't even imagine the life of a F2P user..

How do you define "great"? Like, unstoppable? I have a friend who is top 30 in PVP, never spent a single dime in the game. I could show you his squad screenshot later if you want. I never managed to defeat him in practice mode.

There is no need to go offtopic anyway.. 
With great team i just define a team that can handle almost all difficulties and challanges in this game and that has this roles:

Healer
2 DPS melee
2 DPS ranged
Tank

All 5 stars or 4  stars fully limit break,  with nice faith.

Seriously? Are we not giving the newbies too much to focus and divert what little resources they have? Are we so inhumanely unaccomodating to the point that we have people who says "I don't see a reason why new players are whining" because of one simplest fact is they can't and are unable to put themselves in the new players' perspective.

This, I present to you, is the finest and ugliest side of human.

Have you seen how much the daily gifts were buffed for new players? And the new quest guides with tons of bonus items?