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I got a question. If i have a zodiac with might crit and atk, does it scale better than might?

In short, does Zodiac have a higher scaling stats than its counterpart, because it suppose to carry all the stats, but its "force" it 3 main stats and thus the "leftover" bonus will roll into the 3 main stats in the item.

Because from what i see, Zodiac(even my item) all have +% stats, and its quite high, like 5% or 7%.

The notion that there is even "BAD" zodiac just means you don't understand the nature of zodiac item.

I know that every Zodiac can be reset until great and even better than other suffix and already stated that.

Sorry that I said there are "good" zodiacs, and made you implied I think there are bad ones.
When I reforge I didn't aim for Zodiac in the first place, because although Zodiac can be reset until it has nice option, if the option is not already "good", it can be costly for Min-maxing especially at higher star. (Get Zodiac with good bonus, +15 and hope bonus get upgraded high, if not have to reset to find good option again and +15 hoping bonus get upgraded, repeat)
So if I get zodiac with bonuses that are already great, it's a luck and I consider it "good".
+15 with high bonuses - I consider it good
+0 with 2-3% desired bonuses- I consider it good
The rest are not "bad", just "ok" and can be made "good".

Of course this is just my personal opinion. It's ok if you think I don't understand the nature of Zodiac, or if you don't agree with me.
After all, we both agree that Zodiac suffix shouldn't be removed and its what the topic is about. So I will stop here

Ok,

I got a question. If i have a zodiac with might crit and atk, does it scale better than might?

In short, does Zodiac have a higher scaling stats than its counterpart, because it suppose to carry all the stats, but its "force" it 3 main stats and thus the "leftover" bonus will roll into the 3 main stats in the item.

Because from what i see, Zodiac(even my item) all have +% stats, and its quite high, like 5% or 7%.

It is RNG. Both MIGHT and ZODIAC don't have a guarantee HIGH atk and crit. You CAN get a stat as high as 16% on any equipment regardless of suffix. The suffix doesn't determine the RNG. The suffix determine the available stat.

The notion that there is even "BAD" zodiac just means you don't understand the nature of zodiac item.

I know that every Zodiac can be reset until great and even better than other suffix and already stated that.

Sorry that I said there are "good" zodiacs, and made you implied I think there are bad ones.
When I reforge I didn't aim for Zodiac in the first place, because although Zodiac can be reset until it has nice option, if the option is not already "good", it can be costly for Min-maxing especially at higher star. (Get Zodiac with good bonus, +15 and hope bonus get upgraded high, if not have to reset to find good option again and +15 hoping bonus get upgraded, repeat)
So if I get zodiac with bonuses that are already great, it's a luck and I consider it "good".
+15 with high bonuses - I consider it good
+0 with 2-3% desired bonuses- I consider it good
The rest are not "bad", just "ok" and can be made "good".

Of course this is just my personal opinion. It's ok if you think I don't understand the nature of Zodiac, or if you don't agree with me.
After all, we both agree that Zodiac suffix shouldn't be removed and its what the topic is about. So I will stop here

You type a lot but I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say with the big second paragraph. If an equipment has low % I would consider it bad regardless of suffix so I don't know how being zodiac make it different.
Like I'm honestly not trying to be aggressive here but people have this wrong notion that zodiac is the worst suffix of all and I'm trying to change that. I'm just being straight with you that's all.

Ok,

I got a question. If i have a zodiac with might crit and atk, does it scale better than might?

In short, does Zodiac have a higher scaling stats than its counterpart, because it suppose to carry all the stats, but its "force" it 3 main stats and thus the "leftover" bonus will roll into the 3 main stats in the item.

Because from what i see, Zodiac(even my item) all have +% stats, and its quite high, like 5% or 7%.

It is RNG. Both MIGHT and ZODIAC don't have a guarantee HIGH atk and crit. You CAN get a stat as high as 16% on any equipment regardless of suffix. The suffix doesn't determine the RNG. The suffix determine the available stat.

The notion that there is even "BAD" zodiac just means you don't understand the nature of zodiac item.

I know that every Zodiac can be reset until great and even better than other suffix and already stated that.

Sorry that I said there are "good" zodiacs, and made you implied I think there are bad ones.
When I reforge I didn't aim for Zodiac in the first place, because although Zodiac can be reset until it has nice option, if the option is not already "good", it can be costly for Min-maxing especially at higher star. (Get Zodiac with good bonus, +15 and hope bonus get upgraded high, if not have to reset to find good option again and +15 hoping bonus get upgraded, repeat)
So if I get zodiac with bonuses that are already great, it's a luck and I consider it "good".
+15 with high bonuses - I consider it good
+0 with 2-3% desired bonuses- I consider it good
The rest are not "bad", just "ok" and can be made "good".

Of course this is just my personal opinion. It's ok if you think I don't understand the nature of Zodiac, or if you don't agree with me.
After all, we both agree that Zodiac suffix shouldn't be removed and its what the topic is about. So I will stop here

You type a lot but I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say with the big second paragraph. If an equipment has low % I would consider it bad regardless of suffix so I don't know how being zodiac make it different.
Like I'm honestly not trying to be aggressive here but people have this wrong notion that zodiac is the worst suffix of all and I'm trying to change that. I'm just being straight with you that's all.

I'm also not trying to argue anything with you, just explaining my thoughts (which obviously I didn't do very well) ;_;
Don't worry, I think Zodiac is great too and I'm using a lot of Zodiac items myself. My scepter of Zodiac has DEF, HP, MAG and it's awesome.

In any case, youre really missing the point. WIth faith, it is more exclusive, but with zodiac, you CAN have ATK and CRIT as high as a might item AND also have def% and hp%.

I'm explaining to you and the only thing you do is dismiss it. Just don't use zodiac. End of story. 

For zodiac, I agree less people use it. But the good thing about zodiac is the ability to provide stats combination like hp and crit or hp/att, etc. So it makes ur heroes more tanky in pve. As for arena, people use other suffix for pure shear damage. While in pve, you need to survive longer sometime. And usually, you won't use just 1 item of zodiac, a few together is much more effective.
It's like using a def rune with atk stats. I use it because it provide a 5% increase in def to my weaker unit, like besersek.

Try to do it in reverse to achieve a better result from your rune if you wish for the rune to help your weaker char.
%age in low base stat is not gonna be better than the fix amount from the rune.
So, if you want to add more def to an ATK unit, use the red rune with def stat. that way you will gain more def to the unit (in max +), and more ATK from the %age of your unit base stat.
Hope it helps

If I see a zodiac equipment I would just sell it away, to be honest. My gold is too precious to play RNG with the suffix.

If I see a zodiac equipment I would just sell it away, to be honest. My gold is too precious to play RNG with the suffix.

This is very true for the heirloom sets but for some sets, I do not have a choice other than to wear it to get the bonus stats;

If I see a zodiac equipment I would just sell it away, to be honest. My gold is too precious to play RNG with the suffix.

Zodiac is just a whale trap, you can get as good as other suffix but it means you have to waste a lot of gold to reforge again and again. While you can get the suffix of your choice and have decent stats, or better ones than Zodiac from the start.

If I see a zodiac equipment I would just sell it away, to be honest. My gold is too precious to play RNG with the suffix.

Zodiac is just a whale trap, you can get as good as other suffix but it means you have to waste a lot of gold to reforge again and again. While you can get the suffix of your choice and have decent stats, or better ones than Zodiac from the start.

Just don't use it Knaillou. It's not for everyone.

If I see a zodiac equipment I would just sell it away, to be honest. My gold is too precious to play RNG with the suffix.

Zodiac is just a whale trap, you can get as good as other suffix but it means you have to waste a lot of gold to reforge again and again. While you can get the suffix of your choice and have decent stats, or better ones than Zodiac from the start.

well dude.... zodiacs are high risk high rewards suffix................its like doing a 10x gem pull....  its the most RNG suffix but also its the best suffix to get if you got the full potential..... i mean ... why would you even think or suggest that zodiac would be remove ...if you already know how it works... dont blame the suffix man.... if yur luck sucks... then deal with it,  its the same thing that you have been doing with 10x gem pull ......

and also ... same atk same crit but which is better