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I think the problem here is "to buy" or "not to buy"
and both of that options means you support Valiant Force game. 

You have to be worried when you have enough salary to cover your life but you still want to buy the package.
If you cannot afford it, then you just have to save up the valianites and buy the costumes.
Is that a hard thing to do? No.
Isn't it taking too much time to wait? Yes. 

It may seems like the DEV takes opportunity during the popularity of Faye, but to buy or not to buy is your choice right?

Enxius said ""But costumes barely give any stats bonuses and if you find it too costly, just don't buy it!" No, if you're already baring this mindset, you are part of the problem."
True. Don't buy it. Save your valianites for her costume. Like it's that even a big problem? or everyone just cannot wait patiently to save up and buy one?

Quote again from Enxius:

Geez... this particular package, while worrying, isn't the biggest problem. What's worrying is the developer's mentality and priorities which gave them the idea to come up with this sort of package. Now, this is what will ruin the game experience for all of us, should they continue to make such packages while making changes to forcefully "enhance" their packages' value.

Well, this may be the first and we don't know if there is a second wave like this but don't you think you are being pessimistic about "ruin the game experience for all of us" ? I don't think have such bundles ruin my game experience, simply because I dont buy. Why do I have to buy the package that doesn't increase my prestige? 

It's true when Nightingale said that "I've read somewhere that it's said that this change is to test the waters for our server and TW to prepare for Global/EU launch?"
I saw that too, but I think it's not a thread, more like reply from some kind of topic.

My conclusion is: I'm sorry if my opinion isn't help but I agree with Hanzo somehow that why no one say something good when they set a high-end set to drop for free from the event, even from Heroic mode (despite the chance maybe 0.01%) and complain on something that has no much effect on our game?

I think the problem here is "to buy" or "not to buy"
and both of that options means you support Valiant Force game. 

You have to be worried when you have enough salary to cover your life but you still want to buy the package.
If you cannot afford it, then you just have to save up the valianites and buy the costumes.
Is that a hard thing to do? No.
Isn't it taking too much time to wait? Yes. 

It may seems like the DEV takes opportunity during the popularity of Faye, but to buy or not to buy is your choice right?

Enxius said ""But costumes barely give any stats bonuses and if you find it too costly, just don't buy it!" No, if you're already baring this mindset, you are part of the problem."
True. Don't buy it. Save your valianites for her costume. Like it's that even a big problem? or everyone just cannot wait patiently to save up and buy one?

Quote again from Enxius:

Geez... this particular package, while worrying, isn't the biggest problem. What's worrying is the developer's mentality and priorities which gave them the idea to come up with this sort of package. Now, this is what will ruin the game experience for all of us, should they continue to make such packages while making changes to forcefully "enhance" their packages' value.

Well, this may be the first and we don't know if there is a second wave like this but don't you think you are being pessimistic about "ruin the game experience for all of us" ? I don't think have such bundles ruin my game experience, simply because I dont buy. Why do I have to buy the package that doesn't increase my prestige? 

It's true when Nightingale said that "I've read somewhere that it's said that this change is to test the waters for our server and TW to prepare for Global/EU launch?"
I saw that too, but I think it's not a thread, more like reply from some kind of topic.

My conclusion is: I'm sorry if my opinion isn't help but I agree with Hanzo somehow that why no one say something good when they set a high-end set to drop for free from the event, even from Heroic mode (despite the chance maybe 0.01%) and complain on something that has no much effect on our game?

That's completely NOT the point we're trying to make. While some have voiced their concern about the sudden and bewildering price hike, we are mostly concerned about what would follow the sale of this costume. 


The thought processes I wrote are that of those who might not be concerned by this at all, and think that this is a one-off incident that has a simple solution - just don't buy it. I'm surprised you mistook it for my own. That's certainly what we are hoping for; that it's a one-off incident that will never happen again. However, we've played enough versions of such similar games to know that this is a sign of what's to come, something that concerns all categories of players, be it whales, p2p (small-time paying players) and even f2p players.

Reading through the comments and now I can see the point..
This might gonna be trend in the future just like when they introduced Pixies..

But that is not my concern..

Since the costumes first introduced, I only bought one which is Lucille costume..
I don't actually love it look..
I just don't like bikini..
They continue to make nice innocent girl become perverted b1***
I know they try to attract people to buy it and many people loved it..
So please ignore my thought..

Quote again from Enxius:

Geez... this particular package, while worrying, isn't the biggest problem. What's worrying is the developer's mentality and priorities which gave them the idea to come up with this sort of package. Now, this is what will ruin the game experience for all of us, should they continue to make such packages while making changes to forcefully "enhance" their packages' value.

Well, this may be the first and we don't know if there is a second wave like this but don't you think you are being pessimistic about "ruin the game experience for all of us" ? I don't think have such bundles ruin my game experience, simply because I dont buy. Why do I have to buy the package that doesn't increase my prestige? 

It's true when Nightingale said that "I've read somewhere that it's said that this change is to test the waters for our server and TW to prepare for Global/EU launch?"
I saw that too, but I think it's not a thread, more like reply from some kind of topic.

My conclusion is: I'm sorry if my opinion isn't help but I agree with Hanzo somehow that why no one say something good when they set a high-end set to drop for free from the event, even from Heroic mode (despite the chance maybe 0.01%) and complain on something that has no much effect on our game?

I've always been optimistic, but lately with this change I just can't... It may not affect me as much, but many of my fellow guild mates has raised concern of this and expressed dissatisfaction. It is on their behalf that I write in this thread, I fear if this change becomes a staple for future releases I won't have enough members to call a guild anymore, and applicants are in short supply nowadays.

I can make a guess, that if this thread is not taken seriously. This so called "test" is going to continue and it may branch off to other aspects of the game further down the road. This price hike would be the first test, and obviously the Developers can't determine if the sales are good or bad without something to compare with. Hence, further testing is likely going to happen to another Hero's costume (Drake, Nadia, Ronan, Izumi). Thing is... We don't want this to continue. It may be too late by then if the Developers decide to revert back this change due to poor sales, because the player base would be in poor numbers already.

It's not that they don't receive praise for the good things they bring us, they do. I myself did on a few occasion. It's also the small talks we do on our 3rd party chat apps that we show our appreciations, and through word of mouth tell our friends/community about it good and bad. It doesn't have to be a public announcement in the forums to show praise, we have quite a few already. You won't even know if they receive a pat in the back through Customer Service. Need I even mention the Playstore reviews? That particular platform has more of an impact on a game's popularity.

Wow, this is a very heat-fiery discussion.
First of all, aside from the pros and cons, creating such discussion is not a bad idea, so DEV can check on this and consider their next move in the future like.

As a F2P, persoanally it does not affect me, because I rarely buy bundles moreover costumes.
But if I was in the same position of the Whale, I may be not that worried.

Like ColdIcePrincess said, the choice is to buy or not to buy
Take a chill pill everyone O v O~

Worry less, play more, costume is just a bonus like some of you say it doesn't have much bonus so why are you letting it affect you. If you want something more to what you already have naturally you have to pay for it. For its costume design and the hardwork the designer went through to create are worth more then 15 valianite/ $25 bundle or even 400-600 gems so learn to appreciate that its not being sold at 1k+ gems or $50+ for the bundle that contain the costume. Since this faye costume is worth 15 valianite which cost at least 2k gems to get and you think its too much then take the alternate method. Use that $25 do a charity tribute to the designer and just buy that costume which save you $100+  to get the 15 valianite. 

Oh gosh how the hell people  still don’t get it. It’s not about buy it or leave it, AT ALL. It’s how the dev sell this costume. It’s different with how another costume which is way cheaper than faye’s and we are all questioning that smh. Why are they raising the price for faye’s costume? We’re worried this is some kind of test they put to determine how far players can spend their money. If they can buy this costume then who knows not just next costume but previous costume will suddenly priced 15 valianites? If they fine with it who knows they will release another money oriented item?
 
I know VF gives players gems easily but that doesn’t mean we can use it easily too. Especially for me f2p player. Faye is one of my main hero so I really  want to buy costume for her. I try not to buy previous costume as I want to spend my precious gems carefully. I was hyped and prepare 400 gems (which is quite easy) for faye’s costume but then 15 valianites? Thanks but no thanks. I can buy a pixie or another hero to power up my squad.
 
Worry less and play more? You gotta be kidding me…

just my thoughts
15 valiante =/= the faye costume
with 15 valiante, we can get a faye costume

With 15 valiante, we also can choose to exchange other stuff (Pixie,hero,etc...)

what you can get by exchanging gems to valiants through summoning?
OTHER HERO.

i hope that we can concider this fact before we have further discussion, because im quite worried by the fact that people forgot they can get OTHER HEROES.

Example, you went to buy some grocery in a mart and spended 50$, the mart give you a coupon worth 5$. So it means 50$ of goods = 5$ of coupon
BUT 5$of coupon does not worth 50$ of goods.

Say on the coupon exchanging counter you saw a monitor you want to get, it's price is 200$, that mean you need to buy 2000$ worth of goods to get enough coupon to buy the monitor. OR you can just spend 200$ to get it.

The diffrence is by spending 2000$, you got 2200$ worth of goods, but just spending 200$, you got 200$ worth of goods.

Now replace thouse stuff with gems, valiante, and faye costume

We spend 2000 gems TO SUMMON HEROES/EQUIPMENT, GET HEROES and VALIANTES, which in this case it can be understand as coupon. By collecting enough coupon (15 valiante in this case), we can exchange to a faye (the monitor).
BUT if you just want the faye(the monitor) then you can just spend 25 USD.

whats the difference?
by spending 2000 gems you get 50 SUMMONS + a faye costume
but spending 25 USD you only get the faye costume

TL;DR
15 valiante = 1 faye costume
1 faye costume =/= 15 valiante

But that's just my opinion only,  i would like to hear the thoughts of other people.

EDIT:
I do agreed on the point where 400gem for a costume is way too cheap, and again, its only my opinion

Who cares? Unless the costumes gives tremendous buffs or advantages, there is nothing to be worried/scared about. End of the day VF is a business and in order to carry on, they need revenue to do so. If they want to experiment which revenue models work better for them, they are free to do so. At the end of the day the market demand for the costume and bundles will determine if they release similar bundles in the future. The drama is laughable and the sky is not falling here folks. 

I was expecting the debate to be about whether the developers would be insistent on heading down the slippery slope and this could be a one-off sale that wouldn't be repeated but dang, I'm appalled people still don't get the gist of the message - the changes and packages that MIGHT follow the sale of faye's costume is what is worrying us, not the costume itself.


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